Is my proof for the equation root(ab)=(a+b)/2 implying a=b correct?

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the statement that if \(\sqrt{ab} = \frac{(a+b)}{2}\), then it implies \(a = b\). Participants explore the validity of a proof presented by one member and discuss various aspects of the proof, including assumptions and methods used.

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  • One participant presents a proof by contradiction, assuming \(a \neq b\) and deriving a contradiction to conclude \(a = b\).
  • Another participant suggests that the proof does not require contradiction and questions the necessity of assuming \(0 \leq a \leq b\), indicating that both \(a\) and \(b\) could be negative.
  • A different participant provides an alternative proof using the identity \((a-b)^2 = (a+b)^2 - 4ab\) to show that \(a = b\) follows from the equality condition.
  • One participant questions the equality of the arithmetic mean and geometric mean, suggesting that they are rarely equal.
  • Several participants clarify the original problem statement and emphasize the goal of proving the implication from the arithmetic mean to equality.

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There is no consensus on the necessity of the proof by contradiction or the assumptions made regarding the values of \(a\) and \(b\). Multiple viewpoints on the proof's structure and assumptions remain present.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions regarding the positivity of \(a\) and \(b\), and there is a lack of resolution on whether the proof requires contradiction or can be shown directly.

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...but I feel like I did something wrong. Also, this was a problem in my Analysis book, hence my posting it here, although it doesn't explicitly deal with analysis.

Prove that root(ab)=(a+b)/2 implies a=b. Assume 0\leqa\leqb. To prove the converse is true was another problem and was easy but anyway here's my work:

Proof.

Assume the contrary; that given root(ab)=(a+b)/2, a\neqb.

By the first multiplicative identity, 2*root(ab)=(a+b).

Squaring both sides: 4ab=a2+2ab+b2

By the first multiplicative identity and algebra, a2-2ab+b2=0.

Factor: (a-b)(a-b)=0.

Since a\neqb by assumptions, a-b\neq0 thus we can divide both sides by a-b: (a-b)=0. This implies a=b, which contradicts the original assumptions. Thus root(ab)=(a+b)/2 implies a=b.

qed

So is this correct? If not, where did I go wrong? I just have this feeling that it's a little...off...somewhere but I don't know how or where. Thanks in advance for the help, this has been bothering me for a bit now.
 
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This looks fine and is the equality condition in the 2-variable AM-GM inequality. Anyways, it is an exercise in basic analysis to show that if a and b are real numbers and ab = 0, then either a or b is 0. This might be the reason why you feel the proof is a bit weird, but it looks correct to me.
 
it doesn't look like you need to prove by contradiction. just following the steps shows explicitly that a must equal b. then shouldn't need to assume 0=<a=<b (which forces a and b to be positive, both can be negative as well) ...otherwise it looks good.
 
Hello Thread
This is the first time that I participate this site and I have the following proof for your problem:
(a-b)^2=a^2-2ab+b^2=a^2+2ab+b^2-4ab=(a+b)^2-4ab
=4[((a+b)/2)^2-ab]
=4([(a+b)/2)-sqrt{ab})([(a+b)[(a+b)/2)+sqrt{ab})
=0 since (a+b)/2)=sqrt{ab}
therefore (a-b)^2=0 implies a-b=0 and a=b Q.E.D
Best Wishes
Riad Zaidan
 
Why is (a+b)/2 equal to sqrt{ab}?

The geometric mean of two numbers are hardly ever equal to the arithmetic mean..
 
Arildno, read the original post! The problem was to prove "If (a+b)/2= sqrt(ab), then a= b".
 
let h=(b-a)/2
so 0<=h
sqrt(ab)=(a+b)/2
sqrt(a^2+2ah)=a+h
 
Dear arildno
the problem was to prove that
"If (a+b)/2= sqrt(ab), then a= b".So this is given
Best Regards
 
Ooops! Sorry about that..
 

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