Is Percentile Rank a Lower or Upper Bound?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the interpretation of percentile ranks, specifically whether a given percentile represents a lower or upper bound for a score. Participants explore the implications of being in a certain percentile, particularly in cases of tied scores among top performers, and how this affects the understanding of relative performance in a group.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether being in the 95th percentile means there are 5 people who scored higher or if it is possible to have scored the highest among them.
  • Another participant explains that a percentile indicates how many students scored lower, using the example of the 66th percentile to illustrate this point.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether being tied with the top scorers places them in the 97th or 100th percentile.
  • Some participants argue that if there are three students with the same top score, they would be in the 97th percentile, as 97 students scored lower.
  • There is a contention regarding the possibility of being in the 100th percentile, with some asserting it is not possible unless no one else is in the group.
  • Others suggest that rounding could allow for a 100th percentile ranking if considering a larger group, such as 200 students.
  • One participant emphasizes that percentile scores are not upward roundable, providing a specific example to illustrate this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of percentiles, particularly in cases of ties among top scores. There is no consensus on whether one can be in the 100th percentile, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of ties on percentile rankings.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity in percentile definitions, particularly in scenarios involving ties and rounding, which may affect the interpretation of scores.

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Hello! I am a bit confused about the percentile rank. Is the value of the percentile a lower or upper bound for your score. What I mean is, if you are let's say 95 percentile out of 100 people, does it means that there is a chance you scored the highest score with other 5 people, or there are 5 people who STRICTLY scored higher than you? Thank you!
 
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Perhaps this will answer it:

http://pareonline.net/getvn.asp?v=1&n=1

WHAT ARE PERCENTILE SCORES?

In contrast to stanines, percentiles give parents a more detailed description of how their children compare with other students who took the test by showing scores that range from 1 to 99.

For example, if a student scored in the 66th percentile on a test, that student achieved a score that is higher than 66%of the other students who took the test. So, if 1,000 students took the test, the student in the 66th percentile scored higher than 660 students.

Do not confuse percentile scores with percentage correct scores. Percentile scores allow you to compare one student's scores with a group of students who took the test. Percentage corrects cores simply reveal the number of items that a student answered correctly out of the total number of items.
 
jedishrfu said:
Perhaps this will answer it:

http://pareonline.net/getvn.asp?v=1&n=1
Thank you for this, but I am still confused. My question is: If the top 3 students have the same score on an exam (and everyone else has less) and I am one of these 3 students, am I in the 97 percentile or 100 percentile?
 
If the top 3 students out of 100 students had a tie score then I think they are in the 97th percentile meaning 97 students are below them in score.

I don't think you could ever be in the 100th percentile because that would mean out of 100 students 0 students would be in it.
 
jedishrfu said:
I don't think you could ever be in the 100th percentile because that would mean out of 100 students 0 students would be in it.
If you round to integers, you could be. If you are the best out of 200 students, then 99.5 out of 100 students are worse than you, that could be rounded to 100.
 
jedishrfu said:
If the top 3 students out of 100 students had a tie score then I think they are in the 97th percentile meaning 97 students are below them in score.

I don't think you could ever be in the 100th percentile because that would mean out of 100 students 0 students would be in it.
So if you are in the 97 percentile you did better than 97 percent of the test takers, but you don't know what u did compared to the other 3 percent, right? (you don't know if you had the same score as them or lower)
 
That's right, unless one of them says to you I'm in the 98th percentile.
 
mfb said:
If you round to integers, you could be. If you are the best out of 200 students, then 99.5 out of 100 students are worse than you, that could be rounded to 100.
Percentile scores are not upward roundable -- 99.9th percentile means the score has an abundancy of no more than 1 in 1000 -- 98.9th percentile is part of the 98th percentile -- etc..
 

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