Is $\phi(U)$ a Subspace of $\mathbb{R}^m$?

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The discussion revolves around whether the image of a subspace under a linear map, specifically $\phi(U)$, is a subspace of $\mathbb{R}^m$. Participants also explore the properties of the inverse of a linear map, $\phi^{-1}(W)$, and its implications for subspaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that since $U$ is a subspace, $\phi(U)$ contains the zero vector and is closed under addition and scalar multiplication, suggesting that $\phi(U)$ is a subspace of $\mathbb{R}^m.
  • Another participant questions whether the inverse of a linear map, $\phi^{-1}$, is also linear, particularly in the case where $\phi$ maps all inputs to zero.
  • Participants discuss the implications of $\phi^{-1}(W)$ being a subspace, noting that if $W$ is a subspace, it must contain the zero vector, leading to the conclusion that $0 \in \phi^{-1}(W)$.
  • There is a discussion about whether $\phi(u), \phi(v) \in W$ holds true, with one participant clarifying that if $u \in \phi^{-1}(W)$, then by definition, $\phi(u) \in W$.

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Participants generally agree on the properties of subspaces and the implications of linearity, but there is uncertainty regarding the linearity of the inverse of a linear map and the conditions under which certain statements hold true.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and properties of linear maps and their inverses, particularly in edge cases where the map may not be invertible.

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Let $1\leq m, n\in \mathbb{N}$, let $\phi :\mathbb{R}^n\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^m$ a linear map and let $U\leq_{\mathbb{R}}\mathbb{R}^n$, $W\leq_{\mathbb{R}}\mathbb{R}^m$ be subspaces.
I want to show that:
  1. $\phi (U)$ is subspace of $\mathbb{R}^m$.
  2. $\phi^{-1} (W)$ is subspace of $\mathbb{R}^n$.
I have done the following:

  1. We have that $\phi (U)=\{\phi (u) \mid u\in U\}$.

    Since $U$ is a subspace we have that $0\in U$. Therefore $\phi (0)\in \phi (U)$. Since $\phi$ is a linear map we have that $\phi (0)=0$ and so we get that $0\in \phi (U)$.

    Let $\phi (u_1), \phi (u_2)\in \phi (U)$. Then we have that $\phi (u_1)+\phi (u_2)=\phi (u_1+u_2)$, since $\phi$ is linear.
    Since $U$ is a subspace we have that since $u_1, u_2\in U$ then $u_1+u_2\in U$. Therefore we get that $\phi (u_1+u_2)\in \phi (U)$ and so we have that $\phi (u_1)+\phi (u_2)\in \phi (U)$.

    Let $\lambda\in \mathbb{R}$ and $\phi (u_1)\in \phi (U)$. Then we have that $\lambda \phi (u_1)=\phi (\lambda u_1)$, since $\phi$ is linear.
    Since $U$ is a subspace we have that since $\lambda\in \mathbb{R}$ and $u_1\in U$ then $\lambda u_1\in U$. Therefore we get that $\phi (\lambda u_1)\in \phi (U)$ and so we have that $\lambda \phi (u_1)\in \phi (U)$.



    That means that $\phi (U)$ is subspace of $\mathbb{R}^m$.
    Is everything correct? (Wondering)
  2. We have that $\phi$ is linear. Does it follow then that $\phi^{-1}$ is also linear? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Is everything correct?

Hey mathmari!

Yep. (Nod)

mathmari said:
2. We have that $\phi$ is linear. Does it follow then that $\phi^{-1}$ is also linear?

Let's see... suppose we pick $\phi: u \mapsto 0$.
That is a linear map isn't it?
What is $\phi^{-1}$? Is it a linear map? Is it a function for that matter? (Wondering)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Let's see... suppose we pick $\phi: u \mapsto 0$.
That is a linear map isn't it?
What is $\phi^{-1}$? Is it a linear map? Is it a function for that matter? (Wondering)

There is no inverse, is there? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
There is no inverse, is there?

Indeed. So we'll have to solve the problem differently. (Thinking)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Indeed. So we'll have to solve the problem differently. (Thinking)

But how? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
But how? (Wondering)

As a linear map, $\phi(0)=0$, so $0\in\phi^{-1}(\{0\})$.
Since W is a subspace, it must contain 0.
So we must have that $0\in \phi^{-1}(W)$, don't we? (Wondering)

Suppose $u,v\in \phi^{-1}(W)$, then what can we find out about $u+v$? (Wondering)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Suppose $u,v\in \phi^{-1}(W)$, then what can we find out about $u+v$? (Wondering)

We have that $\phi(u), \phi(v) \in W$. Since $W$ is a subspace we have that $\phi(u) +\phi (v) \in W$. Since $\phi$ is linear we get that $\phi (u+v) \in W$. We apply the inverse and we get $u+v\in \phi^{-1}(W)$.

Is everything correct? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
We have that $\phi(u), \phi(v) \in W$. Since $W$ is a subspace we have that $\phi(u) +\phi (v) \in W$. Since $\phi$ is linear we get that $\phi (u+v) \in W$. We apply the inverse and we get $u+v\in \phi^{-1}(W)$.

Is everything correct? (Wondering)

Yep. (Nod)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Yep. (Nod)

I thought about that again and now I got stuck. I said that $\phi (u), \phi (v)\in W$. Is this correct? Does this hold because $W$ is a subspace of $\mathbb{R}^m$ and the image of $\phi$ is $\mathbb{R}^m$ ? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
I thought about that again and now I got stuck. I said that $\phi (u), \phi (v)\in W$. Is this correct? Does this hold because $W$ is a subspace of $\mathbb{R}^m$ and the image of $\phi$ is $\mathbb{R}^m$ ?

We assumed that $u\in\phi^{-1}(W)$. Doesn't this mean by definition that $\phi(u)\in W$?
That is, isn't $\phi^{-1}(W)\overset{\text{def}}{=}\{x : \phi(x) \in W\}$? (Wondering)
The same applies to $v$.
 
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Klaas van Aarsen said:
We assumed that $u\in\phi^{-1}(W)$. Doesn't this mean by definition that $\phi(u)\in W$?
That is, isn't $\phi^{-1}(W)\overset{\text{def}}{=}\{x : \phi(x) \in W\}$? (Wondering)
The same applies to $v$.

Ahh yes! (Blush)

Thank you very much! (Yes)
 

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