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The discussion revolves around the factors influencing success in physics research careers, particularly in academia. Participants explore the role of talent, luck, creativity, communication skills, and timing in securing positions, as well as personal experiences and considerations regarding pursuing a career in research.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that talent is important, but other factors such as politics and networking also play significant roles in securing positions.
  • There is a belief that being in a "hot" research field can greatly influence job prospects, with some expressing concern that their area of study may become obsolete during their training.
  • Creativity is highlighted as a crucial trait, with some arguing that successful scientists often have multiple ideas and the discipline to focus on one at a time.
  • Communication and social skills are deemed essential for writing grant applications and networking at conferences, which can impact career advancement.
  • Timing and external economic conditions are noted as uncontrollable factors that can affect job availability upon graduation.
  • One participant questions the idiosyncratic nature of researchers and whether they tend to neglect hobbies outside of work.
  • Concerns are raised about the competitiveness of global candidates, particularly comparing institutions like MIT/Harvard to Imperial College.
  • There is a query regarding the value of research experience during holidays when applying for PhD programs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the importance of various factors in achieving success in physics research, indicating that there is no consensus on what is most critical. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relative weight of talent versus other factors.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the uncertainty surrounding the competitiveness of different universities and the evolving nature of research fields, which may influence career trajectories.

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Is it true that only the most talented Physicists will get the top positions in physics research, or are there other factors that are more important than talent?


Also for those who went into academia, how did you guys decide that it was for you? I'm considering of going into research for physics, but I'm not entirely sure if that's what I'd enjoy most. I'm also discouraged by how difficult it is to even get a permanent position.

I'm a 3rd year undergrad by the way.
 
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The only other factor is politics. If you're good at it (as well as having sufficient scientific talent) you can land more admin type jobs in the sciences.
 
There are a lot of factors involved. In general those who end up in academic research positions tend to be quite talented. I'm not sure what you mean by "top" positions though.

One of the big factors is being lucky enough to have a background in what turns out to be a "hot" field. In the years it takes to do a post doc and a PhD whatever you work on could become obsolete or simply no longer be of much interest to the wider academic community. On the other hand, your area of expertise could also take off - meaning there are more funding opportunities and therefore more job prospects.

Another big factor is creativity, I think. Some people are great at solving exam problems and do exactly what they're told during their graduate work, utlimately producing some good work. But when left to their own devices, particularly when having come through a system that doesn't often reward independent thinking, they don't know what to do. A lot of the more successful scientists I know have several great ideas in their minds at any given time and find that what they really need is the discipline to work on one thing at at time.

Communication and social skills are also huge. This specifically refers to the ability to write a successful grant application, and the ability to network. The more successful scientists I know are the ones at conferences who are able to approach different people and engage in exciting conversations in what appears to be an effortless manner.

Timing plays a big factor. You really don't have much control over this one. Sometimes you can get luck and happen to graduate or complete a post doc when several openings in your field are available. Sometimes there won't be anything for months and you have to figure out how to eat in the meantime. What the general economy is doing can also play a big role in this respect. During the dot com boom, PhDs were getting picked up left right and centre in the commercial sector. During a recession, lots of people will attempt to ride it out as students, creating a competative bolus.
 
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There are a lot of factors involved. In general those who end up in academic research positions tend to be quite talented. I'm not sure what you mean by "top" positions though.

One of the big factors is being lucky enough to have a background in what turns out to be a "hot" field. In the years it takes to do a post doc and a PhD whatever you work on could become obsolete or simply no longer be of much interest to the wider academic community. On the other hand, your area of expertise could also take off - meaning there are more funding opportunities and therefore more job prospects.

Another big factor is creativity, I think. Some people are great at solving exam problems and do exactly what they're told during their graduate work, utlimately producing some good work. But when left to their own devices, particularly when having come through a system that doesn't often reward independent thinking, they don't know what to do. A lot of the more successful scientists I know have several great ideas in their minds at any given time and find that what they really need is the discipline to work on one thing at at time.

Communication and social skills are also huge. This specifically refers to the ability to write a successful grant application, and the ability to network. The more successful scientists I know are the ones at conferences who are able to approach different people and engage in exciting conversations in what appears to be an effortless manner.

Timing plays a big factor. You really don't have much control over this one. Sometimes you can get luck and happen to graduate or complete a post doc when several openings in your field are available. Sometimes there won't be anything for months and you have to figure out how to eat in the meantime. What the general economy is doing can also play a big role in this respect. During the dot com boom, PhDs were getting picked up left right and centre in the commercial sector. During a recession, lots of people will attempt to ride it out as students, creating a competative bolus.
By top job, I guess I mean someone who's well known in their field. Not so much as someone like Stephen Hawking of course!

Also, researchers in general seem to be quite idiosyncratic and not spend much time on any hobbies outside of their work. Is this true to a certain extent?

Besides, I don't really know how strong competition is on a global scale. I mean, how would the top students in unis like MIT/Harvard in the US compare to Imperial College (which I go to)?

Also, is it useful to have research experience during the holidays when you apply for a PhD?

Thanks guys for your responses, they've been really helpful.
 
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