MHB Is \(\pi\) Algebraic of Degree 3 Over Any Extension of \(\mathbb{Q}\)?

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The discussion centers on whether \(\pi\) can be considered algebraic of degree 3 over any extension of \(\mathbb{Q}\). It is established that \(\mathbb{Q}(\pi^3)\) is not an algebraic extension, while \(\mathbb{Q}(\pi)\) is an algebraic extension of \(\mathbb{Q}(\pi^3)\) with degree 3, as \(\pi\) is a root of the polynomial \(x^3 - \pi^3\). Participants note that \(\pi\) is transcendental over \(\mathbb{Q}\), which complicates its classification in terms of algebraic extensions. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing that not all field extensions are algebraic and that determining algebraic status can be challenging. The irreducibility of the polynomial \(x^3 - \pi^3\) over \(\mathbb{Q}(\pi^3)\) is also mentioned as a potential requirement for completeness.
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Q7. Name an extension of \(\mathbb{Q}\) over which \(\pi\) is algebraic of degree 3.

I have a very simple answer to this (below) but is it correct? Is it likely to be what the text is after?

\(\mathbb{Q}(\pi^3)\) is an extension of \(\mathbb{Q}\), it is not an algebraic extension but I am not asked in the first 5 words for it to be algebtaic.

Now \(\mathbb{Q}(\pi)\) is an algebraic extension of \(\mathbb{Q}(\pi^3)\) with degree 3 because \(\pi\) is a root of: \(x^3-\pi^3\)

Is this what they are after? I can't see any way that pi can be algebraic over Q directly.
 
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Pi is *not* algebraic over $\Bbb Q$, that is to say, it is transcendental over $\Bbb Q$ ($\Bbb Q[\pi] \cong \Bbb Q[x]$), so your answer looks fine.

The question is probably just asking you to realize not all extensions of a field are algebraic extensions, and that being an algebraic extension depends *crucially* on the underlying field. Deciding "which" field extensions ARE algebraic can often be difficult, as there are many real numbers, for example, for which it is unknown whether or not they are algebraic over $\Bbb Q$.

The only thing missing (and I do not know if your instructor expects this) is showing that $x^3 - \pi^3$ is, in fact, irreducible over $\Bbb Q(\pi^3)$ (hint: $\Bbb Q(\pi^3) \subset \Bbb R$).
 
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