Is Post Doc Funding More Accessible Than Graduate Scholarships?

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The discussion revolves around the accessibility of funding for postdoctoral positions compared to graduate scholarships. Participants explore the challenges and opportunities associated with securing funding at different academic levels, particularly focusing on the transition from graduate studies to postdoctoral research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that graduate study scholarships are easier to obtain than undergraduate scholarships due to fewer applicants and more available positions.
  • Another participant corrects this by stating that while graduate scholarships are hard to get, assistantship positions are more accessible, although they may serve as inexpensive labor for universities.
  • Discussions indicate that the difficulty of obtaining postdoctoral positions varies significantly by field, with theoretical high-energy physics (HEP) being particularly challenging, while experimental materials research may offer more opportunities.
  • Questions arise about the nature of assistantships and whether they are available to those with doctoral degrees, as well as the implications of assistantships being considered cheap labor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accessibility of funding at various academic levels, with no consensus reached on whether postdoctoral funding is easier to obtain than graduate scholarships.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the difficulty in securing funding may depend on specific academic fields and the definitions of terms like "assistantships." There is also an acknowledgment of the potential implications of assistantships on labor dynamics within academic institutions.

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Individuals considering postdoctoral positions, graduate students exploring funding options, and those interested in the academic job market dynamics may find this discussion relevant.

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The following idea occurred to me:

It seems very hard to get scholarships into Primary and Secondary schools because everyone goes for them. And also very hard to get scholarships for undergraduate because of the small number of them avaliable and small number of universities. However, it's much easier to get graduate study scholarships mainly because not many people go for them and more are given. Does this trend continue for post doc positions? It would be salary instead of scholarship in the case of post doc but same sort of thing. Would it be even easier for docs to get funding for their post doc research to the point where almost any doc can find a position somewhere in the world?
 
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tgt said:
However, it's much easier to get graduate study scholarships mainly because not many people go for them and more are given.

Correction: It's hard to get graduate scholarships, but very easy to get assistant ship positions that sound a lot like undergraduate scholarships. The big difference, of course, is that assistant ships turn out to be fairly cheap labor for universities (though maybe not for society), while scholarships aren't.

In my discussions with people who were trying to get, or had gotten, postdocs, how hard it was to get them depended heavily on their area of interest. The theoretical HEP physics people found it borderline impossible, while some others (especially experimental materials/matter types) had a relatively easy time. My sample size is fairly small, but I'd be surprised if it didn't hold.
 
Locrian said:
Correction: It's hard to get graduate scholarships, but very easy to get assistant ship positions that sound a lot like undergraduate scholarships. The big difference, of course, is that assistant ships turn out to be fairly cheap labor for universities (though maybe not for society), while scholarships aren't.

In my discussions with people who were trying to get, or had gotten, postdocs, how hard it was to get them depended heavily on their area of interest. The theoretical HEP physics people found it borderline impossible, while some others (especially experimental materials/matter types) had a relatively easy time. My sample size is fairly small, but I'd be surprised if it didn't hold.

What do you mean by assistant ships? Are they for people with doc?

What would cheap labour involve?
 
tgt said:
What do you mean by assistant ships? Are they for people with doc?

What would cheap labour involve?

In most schools that offer grad programs, you can fund your graduate tuition by working as a teacher's assistant part time, or helping out with research on campus.
 

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