Is sequence 1/(n-1) necessarily bounded?

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The discussion revolves around the sequence defined by an = 1/(n-1) and whether it is necessarily bounded, particularly in the context of the statement that convergent sequences are bounded. Participants are examining the implications of the sequence's definition and its behavior as n approaches infinity.

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  • Some participants question whether the sequence should be considered for n > 1 only, given that at n = 1 the term is undefined. They explore the implications of this on the boundedness of the sequence.

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Participants are actively discussing the nature of the sequence and its convergence. There is recognition that the sequence is not defined at n = 1, leading to a focus on terms for n >= 2. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of convergence and boundedness in this context.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of sequences, particularly regarding the implications of undefined terms and the convergence behavior as n approaches infinity.

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Homework Statement


Courant states that a convergent sequence is necessarily bounded; that is, for all n, the absolute value of term an is less than or equal to some number M. My question is does this apply to the sequence given by an = 1/(n-1)?

Homework Equations


As n approaches infinity, an approaches zero, so the sequence converges.

The Attempt at a Solution


At n = 1, 1/(n-1) is larger than any number M, which suggests the sequence is not bounded. Should we only consider terms for n > 1, in which case the sequence would be bounded by 1 and still converge to 0?
 
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Axel Harper said:

Homework Statement


Courant states that a convergent sequence is necessarily bounded; that is, for all n, the absolute value of term an is less than or equal to some number M. My question is does this apply to the sequence given by an = 1/(n-1)?

Homework Equations


As n approaches infinity, an approaches zero, so the sequence converges.

The Attempt at a Solution


At n = 1, 1/(n-1) is larger than any number M, which suggests the sequence is not bounded. Should we only consider terms for n > 1, in which case the sequence would be bounded by 1 and still converge to 0?
Since a1 is undefined, the sequence makes sense only for n >= 2.
 
A sequence is a function. Rather than writing f(n), however, we use the convenient notation ##a_n##. In the example you've given, n=1 isn't in the domain of the function, so there is no ##a_1## in that sequence. So, yes, you only consider the terms for n>1.

Also, I wouldn't say that at n=1, 1/(n-1) is larger than any number M because 1/(n-1) is not defined for n=1. If it's not defined, it doesn't make sense to talk about whether it's larger or smaller than some real number M.

What you're thinking of is the real function ##f: \mathbb{R}-\{1\} \to \mathbb{R}## where f(x) = 1/(x-1). As before f(1) isn't defined, and it doesn't make sense to say f(1) is smaller or bigger than some number. Consider the fact that as x approaches 1, the function diverges to ##\pm\infty## depending on which side you approach x=1 from, so is f(1) really big or really small?
 
Axel Harper said:

Homework Statement


Courant states that a convergent sequence is necessarily bounded; that is, for all n, the absolute value of term an is less than or equal to some number M. My question is does this apply to the sequence given by an = 1/(n-1)?

Homework Equations


As n approaches infinity, an approaches zero, so the sequence converges.

The Attempt at a Solution


At n = 1, 1/(n-1) is larger than any number M, which suggests the sequence is not bounded. Should we only consider terms for n > 1, in which case the sequence would be bounded by 1 and still converge to 0?
The sequence ##\big(\frac{1}{n-1}\big)_{n=2}^\infty## is convergent, and its limit is 0, as you said. But there's no sequence ##\big(\frac{1}{n-1}\big)_{n=1}^\infty##, because ##\frac 1 0## is not larger than any number. It's just undefined.

A convergent sequence is bounded because "convergent" means that for all ##\varepsilon>0## there's a number x such that all but a finite number of terms are in the interval ##(x-\varepsilon,x+\varepsilon)##. This makes it very easy to see that there's an ##r>0## such that all terms are in the interval ##(x-r,x+r)##.

Edit: I wrote this about 45 minutes ago, but got distracted by something before I could submit it.
 

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