Is Sliding Down a Falling Tree Safer Than Free Falling?

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The discussion revolves around a scenario where a person is atop a tree that is being cut down, debating whether it is safer to free fall or to hold on and ride the tree down. The subject area includes concepts of forces, torque, and rotational motion in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the forces acting on a person during free fall versus holding onto the tree. There are attempts to relate torque and angular acceleration to the situation, with questions about how to quantify these forces without specific numerical values. Some participants express confusion about the teacher's phrasing and the implications of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the physics involved and how to approach the problem mathematically. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between torque, force, and angular motion, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a specific claim from the teacher regarding the relative danger of holding onto the tree compared to free falling, which adds a layer of complexity to the discussion. There is also mention of the lack of numerical values and moment of inertia in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



A person is atop a tree as it is cut down. Should he push off from the tree and fall freely to the ground or hold on and ride the tree to the ground?It would be a good idea to lay down some physics formulas to support your argument.

Homework Equations



F=ma
Torque = I*Angular Acceleration

angular acceleration = V^2 /r

The Attempt at a Solution


My teacher told our class that we should look at the force acting on the person as they fall.

I know that in free fall the force acting on the person would be (9.8*mass) Newtons because F=ma and a= -9.8 m/s.

With that said, I'm very confused as to how to find the force acting on a person as they accelerate in rotational motion. The reason for this is that i know that the force of gravity is a torque that makes the tree-- and the person attached to it-- fall faster. However, the torque due to the force of gravity should change as the tree falls further and further down. because of this, i don't know how to calculate how much force the person has acting on him/her.

As a note, my teacher has told me that it is 1.2 times more dangerous to hold on to the tree-- i know that free falling is safer-- but wants my class to show the logic and work that brings us to this conclusion. I'm utterly lost.
 
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torque = R X F = I*w

since force is acting perpendicular to the branch it can be rewritten as

R*F = I*w
 
But, without using numbers and just variables, how can i quantify the force of I*w/R in terms of just mass as i use 9.8*m as the force of the other one?

I don't have any numbers to use here, nor do i know the moment of inertia in this situation.

also, isn't torque = I* angular acceleration not I * the angular velocity?
 
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can anyone help me please? My teacher's question is not phrased very well so i don't understand how to go about solving it.
 
It's a trick question. The person should slide down the tree like a firepole.
 

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