Is space currently thought of as discrete or continuous?

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The discussion centers on the conceptual understanding of space as either discrete or continuous, exploring implications from both physics and philosophy. Participants examine the potential consequences of each perspective, referencing theories from general relativity, quantum mechanics, and philosophical interpretations of spacetime.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of a smallest length, suggesting that a discrete universe seems counterintuitive.
  • Others note that current theories, such as general relativity and the standard model, treat spacetime as continuous, while acknowledging that quantum mechanics hints at a possible quantization at the Planck scale.
  • A participant introduces the idea that spacetime might emerge from a more fundamental level, raising questions about the meaning of "emergence" and the nature of physical entities outside of spacetime.
  • There is mention of the philosophical implications of quantum entanglement and non-separability, with a focus on how these concepts relate to the structure of spacetime.
  • Some participants reference specific physicists, like N. Gisin, who argue that nonlocal quantum correlations may originate from outside spacetime, suggesting a divergence in views on the nature of quantum effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether space is discrete or continuous, with multiple competing views presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining spacetime and the challenges in reconciling different theoretical frameworks. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of quantum mechanics on the nature of spacetime and the concept of emergence.

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I was wondering what the majority opinion was on this issue, among physicists and philosophers as well. I can't imagine zooming in a million times smaller than the plank length and still not being at a smallest length, however a discrete universe doesn't make much sense to me.

Are there any known consequences or effects of the universe being discrete versus continuous? Would there be a measurable effect?
 
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To be honest that is a really big can of worms and with no definitive answer.
I guess we will never know until someone successfully hits "the end of the universe" as it were I heard there is a great resturant there to
 
In both general relativity and the standard model, space-time is always continuous. Thus, the standard, excepted picture is continuous. There are many indications (namely from quantum mechanics) that space-time might be quantized at the Planck-scale, as is described by theories like loop quantum gravity, and (at least much of) string theory.
 
There are suggestions that spacetime might be something that emerges from a non-spatio-temporal and more "fundamental" level but it isn't clear what one means by "emergence". A recent, short philosophical paper on this topic can be found below with some interesting quotes. The section "Emergence in what sense" is an interesting section:
Quantum entanglement and thus the non-separability of the entities subject to the entanglement is independent of the distance of these entities in space. But this fact does not justify the conclusion that non-separability somehow exists outside spacetime or, in other words, that the relations of quantum entanglement are somehow ontologically more fundamental than the metrical relations that make up spacetime. For it seems that there is no sense in which there could be concrete physical structures of entanglement (concrete relations of non-separability) unless they are implemented or instantiated in spacetime. Furthermore, as mentioned above, the commitment to quantum entanglement and non-separability implies the commitment to a non-local dynamics, whereby the dynamics being non-local entails that it applies to entities in spacetime.

Indeed, there are two interrelated sets of problems for the idea of the ontological emergence of spacetime from a non-spatio-temporal level in canonical QG. First, the very notion of concrete physical entities that are not spatio-temporally extended needs to be clarified. In the face of the above discussion, a specification in terms of quantum structures does not play the right role (since according to the main interpretations, quantum structures need to be implemented in spacetime in order to be concrete physical structures by contrast to abstract mathematical ones). Second, it is doubtful whether any precise notion of ontological emergence is available in this context. In particular, no account is given how it could be possible that decoherence – being conceived as a process that is not in (space)time and that concerns entities which are supposed to exist independently of spacetime – can produce the required spatiotemporal picture involving local beables.
A dilemma for the emergence of spacetime in canonical quantum gravity
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/9074/

I'm guessing some physicists like N. Gisin would probably disagree somewhat with first quote (?) because he does argue in some of his papers that, in fact,
nonlocal quantum correlations (do) seem to emerge, somehow, from outside space-time.
Quantum nonlocality: How does Nature perform the trick?
http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/0912.1475.pdf

Are There Quantum Effects Coming from Outside Space-time? Nonlocality, free will and "no many-worlds"
http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1011.3440.pdf
 
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