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Didn't someone invent a bunch of dimensions in order to make the theory compatible with other theories but are the extra dimensions right or correct.
Have you done any research on this? The short answer is that string theory is still as alive as it ever, although not being worked on as vigorously as it was some time back, mainly because after 40+ years it still has not produced any physics, just math.potato123 said:Didn't someone invent a bunch of dimensions in order to make the theory compatible with other theories but are the extra dimensions right or correct.
potato123 said:Didn't someone invent a bunch of dimensions in order to make the theory compatible with other theories but are the extra dimensions right or correct.
MacRudi said:We get now with string theory our intuitive thinking back like in classical physics and don't have to interprete anymore.
JorisL said:For example orientifolds which are somewhat natural in full string theory become hard to grasp in supergravity as far as I can tell.
I haven't found a really good way to think about them so far.
can you elaborate on Lisi's work ? which text boook?JorisL said:I want to add an addendum to my post by the way.
If I had the time to do so I would try to learn more about the "contenders" in the "race" to find a theory of quantum gravity. (the recent insight put Garrett Lisi's work on my radar for LQG the situation is a bit better as there's a full-blown textbook now)
kodama said:can you elaborate on Lisi's work ? which text boook?
What you misunderstand is that not "everything" is made from strings but rather fundamental particles are made from string (in string theory). Then atoms are made from fundamental particles, then molecules are made from atoms, THEN the things you are talking about (everyday objects) are made from molecules.CB90 said:So to my understanding that from this String Theory they found that everything in the universe is made up of these certain strings. Would it be plausible that everything has a certain string combination that forms it into what it is, such as a simple cup.
Sorry if i haven't grasped it yet but like what you just said everything is started from string in theory because if things like everyday objects are made up of molecules, which are made up of atoms , which are made up of fundamental particles , which are made up of the strings. So wouldn't that make the strings the universes DNA and everything you see and feel made up of its own DNA (string uniquely pieced together to make the object or thing)phinds said:What you misunderstand is that not "everything" is made from strings but rather fundamental particles are made from string (in string theory). Then atoms are made from fundamental particles, then molecules are made from atoms, THEN the things you are talking about (everyday objects) are made from molecules.
Only in the same sense that a diamond and a lump of coal are identical because they are both made up of carbon atoms. I think we're just playing with words here. What I'm saying is that a diamond and a lump of coal are NOT the same but they are both made up of identical atoms and identical strings. There is no "diamond" string or "coal" string.CB90 said:Sorry if i haven't grasped it yet but like what you just said everything is started from string in theory because if things like everyday objects are made up of molecules, which are made up of atoms , which are made up of fundamental particles , which are made up of the strings. So wouldn't that make the strings the universes DNA and everything you see and feel made up of its own DNA (string uniquely pieced together to make the object or thing)
phinds said:Only in the same sense that a diamond and a lump of coal are identical because they are both made up of carbon atoms. I think we're just playing with words here. What I'm saying is that a diamond and a lump of coal are NOT the same but they are both made up of identical atoms and identical strings. There is no "diamond" string or "coal" string.
No, you're still not getting it. First strings, if they exist, are WAY too small to see with any human device now or in the future. Second it is irrelevant to the strings what form the atoms take at a larger level, even a molecule, to say nothing of somethings a large as a thing that people can see with the naked eye.CB90 said:i still don't a hundred percent get it because to me if its a physical object like a diamond its got to be made up of something, like i get that there isn't a diamond or coal string and iv never seen what strings look like under a microscope but in my simple mind your right that diamonds and coal arent the same but wouldn't it be that the atoms that form them are a different atom structure. which would mean the strings that make the atoms all be different to make the different atoms.
Thank you for making that a bit clearer and letting me express my mind. i probably should just stick to fixing stuff haha
I really think it is not helpful to this discussion to bring in branes and speculative multiverse theory when the OP doesn't even understand the Standard Model yet. You're just getting too far ahead of where the discussion is.MacRudi said:Molecules are out of atoms
atoms are out of proton, neutron and electron
proton is out of quarks, gluons and axion
neutron is out of quarks, gluons and axion
here we have the first stage, where we come to strings as tiny tiny little wiggeling things
very small buildingblocks, so tiny that no one can see under any microscope
in the opposite think of the whole universe as one brane, which we cannot see behind the horizont in full size. And now think of many big branes that are many universes in a multiverse. All the tiniest and the biggest can be decribed in strings and branes, which can be the same. a string can be a brane and a brane can be a string. What a buildingblock is in tiniest can be the biggest thing like a whole universe. In the end we have lost the thinking of reductionism, when we describe mathematically the smallest and the biggest
that's stringtheory
phinds said:I really think it is not helpful to this discussion to bring in branes and speculative multiverse theory when the OP doesn't even understand the Standard Model yet. You're just getting too far ahead of where the discussion is.
potato123 said:Didn't someone invent a bunch of dimensions in order to make the theory compatible with other theories but are the extra dimensions right or correct.
haushofer said:And if we don't detect these predictions, we explain this by adjusting the parameters of the theory :P
haushofer said:I'm not sure what you mean with "Einstein's theories". GR? In that case I don't agree; that theory only contains one parameter kappa, which is fixed by the correspondence principle.
but not impossible to detect that something strange and inexplicable with current theories was happening to the orbit of Mercury.MacRudi said:... It was impossible and unimaginable to detect, that the clock 20 meters above is running faster than the clock on the ground
JorisL said:Moduli stabilization remains an active issue.
When scanning for dS vacua in string theory one problem is that we don't keep any SUSY complicating the result.
Another is that often there are quantum corrections which we cannot calculate.
Also the 10^500 is an old, very crude number based on Calabi-Yau, flux compactifications. This is a small subset of solutions which cannot be de Sitter as a matter of fact since CY three-folds are ricci flat. (Ricci curvature scalar of internal manifold should be negative)
More on the landscape
haushofer's first reply was a bit tongue-in-cheek by the way (if I'm not mistaken)
Then you surely must have seen this one,JorisL said:I agree, I'm working with group manifolds and the coolest thing happened, I reduced the possible manifolds that might allow dS vacua to 4 (compactification to D=6, trying to find a toy model).
It turns out I get almost exactly the same equations (unsolved for now) for each manifold. This suggests something deeper could be happening but I haven't seen it yet. (my advisor and his collaborators has a hunch but its far from conclusive)
That's the deal with string theory and supergravity, often we have a feeling and need to investigate more but going deeper takes time (which I no longer have).
I'd say the answer to the OP is that it's not dead but there are some issues we don't fully understand.
And my opinion wrt other candidates for a theory of quantum gravity is that we need some authorities that know two of the theories very well.
Who knows one could use ideas from other theories in whatever flavour they like best.
We present a brief overview of attempts to construct de Sitter vacua in string theory and explain how the results of this 20-year endeavor could point to the fact that string theory harbors no de Sitter vacua at all. Making such a statement is often considered controversial and "bad news for string theory". We discuss how perhaps the opposite can be true
Flyx said:We cannot currently detect the extra dimensions, but M-theory makes a lot of predictions that can be tested. At the moment, it is still valid.
I think this is another manifestation of "duality". There is no such thing as, good or bad, it is all just a matter of choice of background context ;-)haushofer said:To me, it becomes a bit suspicious how every time something initially bad for string theory turns out to be good. Just sayin'.
phyzguy said:It seems to me that the name "string theory" is a misnomer. A theory in physics is a model where I can do calculations and compare the results of these calculations withe experiment. SInce this isn't (yet) the case in string theory, I think it would be more appropriate to call it the "string concept" or the "string idea".
Well, string theory is a 2-dimensional (superconformal) quantum field theory. But quantum field theory in itself is a paradigm, not a theory. So I guess that's where the bad naming starts.phyzguy said:It seems to me that the name "string theory" is a misnomer. A theory in physics is a model where I can do calculations and compare the results of these calculations withe experiment. SInce this isn't (yet) the case in string theory, I think it would be more appropriate to call it the "string concept" or the "string idea".
haushofer said:Well, string theory is a 2-dimensional (superconformal) quantum field theory. But quantum field theory in itself is a paradigm, not a theory. So I guess that's where the bad naming starts.
Regarding experiments: I think people doing AdS/CFT would disagree. String dualities are testable.