Is Studying Complex Variables Worth It for Physics and Engineering?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the value of studying complex variables (CV) for applications in physics and engineering. Participants explore various applications, theoretical implications, and the potential advantages of deeper knowledge in complex variables.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses enthusiasm for complex variables and questions their worth in physics and engineering, citing a fascinating connection between complex mappings and Lorentz transformations.
  • Another participant mentions the utility of complex numbers in solving 2D problems in fluid flow and electrostatics through conformal mapping, suggesting that basic knowledge of contour integration is sufficient for most engineers and physicists.
  • A different participant agrees on the usefulness of CV in conformal mapping, particularly in electrical engineering applications involving impedances, and highlights its role in solving dissipative harmonic oscillator problems and causal relations in physics.
  • One participant shares their positive experience with conformal mappings in analyzing fluid flow around complex shapes, indicating its practical relevance.
  • A later reply raises concerns about the idealized nature of fluid flow models discussed, questioning their applicability due to the lack of consideration for viscosity and real-world boundary layer behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the usefulness of complex variables in various applications, particularly in fluid dynamics and electrical engineering. However, there is some disagreement regarding the applicability of theoretical models to real-world scenarios, particularly concerning fluid flow and viscosity effects.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the theoretical models discussed, particularly regarding their idealized assumptions and the lack of treatment for complexities such as viscosity in fluid flow.

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I just completed a course on complex variables. I really enjoyed the application sections.
I was thinking of studying CV a little more on my own.
The question is: is it worth it to study more CV for physics and engineering?
What advantage would it give me?

Aside: I was browsing through the book "Visual Complex Analysis" Needham and found a stunning statement, at least for me: " The complex mappings that correspond to Lorentz transformations are the Mobius Transformation! Conversely, every Mobius transformation of C yields a unique Lorentz transformation of space-time." Now I may be easily entertained, but I seriously dropped my jaw at this statement. That's too amazing! What more amazing things can be done in C?
 
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Oh, haven't heard of the Lorentz transform connection.

There is something even more useful with complex numbers (apart from evaluation infinite integrals of course!). I don't recall the details, but 2D problems in fluid flow or electrostatics can be solved with conformal mapping. For that coordinates are taken as complex variables and a function of that variable can transform the problem with a complicating boundary structure into one with a very simple boundary.

For engineers and most physicists I suppose basic knowledge of contour integration and conformal mapping is sufficient.
 
I have not heard of the connection between CV and the Lorentz transformation and Moibus transformations, but I confer with the previous post on the usefulness of CV in conformal mapping in solving complex problems, such as in electrostatics. Even more important is the usefulness in solving problems in EE, where impedances of circuits and systems can be either real (resistances) or reactive (capacitances and inductances). For example,
V = R + jwL -j/wC for simple series circuits. Another is the relation between watts, power factor, and volt-amps. There are similar applications in fluid flow and other ME applications. In physics, exponents can represent real (e.g., absorption and attenuation) or imaginary (e.g., energy shifts). Solution of dissipative harmonic oscillator problems require an understanding of complex variables. Causal relations, like the Kramers-Kronig relations, provide causal relations between dispersion and attenuation using complex variables. After having "grown up" using FORTRAN with COMPLEX variables as a DEFINE option, I miss it in simpler programming languages.
Bob S
 
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Conformal mappings in theoretical fluid flow problems is a very neat way of analysing drags and lifts on really complicated aerofoil shapes, I really enjoyed learning about them.
 
Thanks for the response guys.
The things you all have mentioned I am familiar with. I guess I was thinking along the lines of more theoretical.

We covered briefly the fluid flow around objects. It's neat, but from an applications point of view isn't it too idealistic? The relations don't cover viscosity, so you get boundary layers that don't separate like they do in real life. Again, this was covered briefly so there could be more to it.
 

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