Is Substitution Effective in Solving These Fractional Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving two fractional equations involving variables x and y. Participants are exploring various substitution methods to simplify the equations and find relationships between the variables.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting substitutions such as setting \(\frac{xy}{x+2y} = p\) and \(\frac{xy}{x-2y} = q\) but are struggling to find a relationship between p and q. Some express uncertainty about the effectiveness of these substitutions and consider alternative methods, including polar coordinates.

Discussion Status

There is a mix of approaches being discussed, with some participants suggesting specific manipulations of the equations to facilitate solving. While guidance has been offered regarding substitutions, there is no clear consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of energy or ambition to explore more complex methods, indicating potential constraints in their problem-solving efforts. There is also a suggestion that the problem may exceed typical college algebra levels.

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Homework Statement

[tex]\frac {xy}{x+2y} + \frac {x+2y}{xy} = 2[/tex]

[tex]\frac {xy} {x-2y} + \frac {x-2y} {xy} = 4[/tex]

The attempt at a solution
I tried replacing
([tex]\frac {xy} {x+2y} = p[/tex], say and
[tex]\frac {xy} {x-2y} = q[/tex],

say is getting nowhere as i can't find a relationship between the two.
 
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have you tried the "hard way" ?
 
siddharthmishra19 said:
Homework Statement

[tex]\frac {xy}{ x+2y} + \frac { x+2y }{xy} = 2[/tex]

[tex]\frac {xy} {x-2y} + \frac {x-2y} {xy} = 4[/tex]

The attempt at a solution
I tried replacing
([tex]\frac {xy} {x+2y} = p[/tex], say and
[tex](xy/(x-2y)) = q[/tex],

say is getting nowhere as i can't find a relationship between the two.
If I had the ambition and initiative, I would try changing x and y into polar coordinates and attempt solving ... but I just do not have that much energy to try. What kinds of methods are used in that kind of equation to solve? That must be beyond the intermediate, even beyond the "College Algebra" level.
 
Try multiplying each componet of the first expression by

[tex]\frac {x - 2y} {x-2y}[/tex]

and the second by

[tex]\frac {x+ 2y} {x+2y}[/tex]
 
Your substitutions do give a short cut. Use the first equation to show p=1. Use the second to show q=two roots of a simple quadratic. Now notice 1/p+1/q=2/y. Now it's just slinging square roots around.
 
Through a large number of steps, I obtained
[tex]\[<br /> - x^3 - 2x^3 + 2x^2 y - 4xy^2 + 8y^3 = 0<br /> \][/tex]I am not sure if this fits any useful form; it seems not to fit any.
 
siddharthmishra19 said:
The attempt at a solution
I tried replacing
([tex]\frac {xy} {x+2y} = p[/tex], say and
[tex]\frac {xy} {x-2y} = q[/tex],

say is getting nowhere as i can't find a relationship between the two.

Rather, try using the substitution as :[tex]\ \ \frac {x+2y}{xy} = p[/tex]
and [tex]\ \ \frac {x-2y}{xy} = q[/tex] and then simplify. You should notice that now p+q and p-q is much simpler to substitute in terms of x and y.
 

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