Is Superposition Similar to Tossing a Coin?

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The discussion explores the analogy between quantum superposition, exemplified by Schrödinger's cat, and the classical scenario of tossing a coin. Participants examine the nature of uncertainty in both contexts, focusing on the differences between classical and quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants propose that tossing a coin while it is in the air represents superposition, as it can be either heads or tails until it lands.
  • Others argue that classical uncertainty, such as in coin tossing, can be resolved with enough information about initial conditions, while quantum uncertainty cannot be resolved even in principle until observation occurs.
  • A participant mentions that Einstein would argue for predictability in quantum outcomes given sufficient initial conditions, while Bell would disagree, emphasizing nonlocal hidden variables in multi-particle contexts.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of Bell's theorem, stating it pertains to nonlocality in multi-particle scenarios and is not applicable to single-particle contexts, suggesting the Kochen-Specker theorem is more relevant for single particles.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the differences discussed.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of uncertainty in classical versus quantum contexts, with no consensus reached on the validity of the coin analogy or the implications of Bell's theorem.

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The discussion includes unresolved assumptions about the definitions of classical and quantum uncertainty, and the applicability of various theorems to single versus multi-particle systems.

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Would an accurate analogy for superposition (e.g. Schrödinger's cat) be like tossing a coin? While it's in the air it could be heads or tails, no way to know for certain. But, as soon as it lands, one outcome emerges.
 
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ƒ(x) said:
Would an accurate analogy for superposition (e.g. Schrödinger's cat) be like tossing a coin? While it's in the air it could be heads or tails, no way to know for certain. But, as soon as it lands, one outcome emerges.

I can guess one difference:

the outcome of the coin can be predicted (if we know the angle, velocity, torque etc)
but that of a situation in quantum superpositions cannot.

a) if you asked Einstein he would not agree with above, he would say that even the outcome of the quantum can be predicted...if we knew initial conditions

b) if you asked Bell he would agree with above and prove with his theorem
 
San K is right, there's a fundamental difference between classical uncertainty like the coin flipping and quantum uncertainty like the cat. Classical uncertainty arises from a lack of knowledge, and the outcome can be resolved if we know exactly the position and velocity of the coin in midair. Quantum uncertainty cannot be resolved, even in principle, until the outcome has been observed.
 
San K said:
the outcome of the coin can be predicted (if we know the angle, velocity, torque etc)
but that of a situation in quantum superpositions cannot.

b) if you asked Bell he would agree with above and prove with his theorem
No, Bell would not agree and this is not what he proved with his theorem. What he proved is (roughly) the following:
If there are some hidden variables which allow to predict the outcome, then these hidden variables must be nonlocal.

Besides, this nonlocality refers to cases with 2 or more particles. The original question of f(x) refers to a single particle, on which the Bell theorem has nothing to say. In the single-particle context a more relevant theorem is the one by Kochen and Specker, which proves that physical values of observables cannot be independent on measurements.
 
I'm even more confused now.
 

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