Is switching the order of integration helpful in evaluating double integrals?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of double integrals and the potential benefits of switching the order of integration. Participants explore the implications of changing from dxdy to dydx, particularly in the context of a specific integral and its defined region of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that switching the order of integration can simplify the evaluation of double integrals, though they are unclear on the reasons why.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the region of integration, indicating the importance of this detail in evaluating the integral.
  • A participant suggests that the region of integration is a square, implying that this may not affect the outcome of switching the order of integration.
  • Several participants describe the process of integrating with respect to y first, using a substitution method, and note that this approach leads to a simpler integral compared to integrating with respect to x first.
  • One participant emphasizes that while switching the order may not matter for rectangular regions, it can significantly impact the evaluation for non-rectangular regions.
  • Another participant acknowledges the utility of switching the order of integration as a valuable technique in handling complex double integrals.

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Participants express differing views on the impact of switching the order of integration, with some suggesting it makes no difference for rectangular regions, while others indicate that it can be beneficial or necessary in more complex regions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general applicability of this technique.

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Participants have not fully explored the implications of the specific integral or the nature of the region beyond identifying it as rectangular. There is also a lack of consensus on the extent to which switching the order of integration is beneficial in various scenarios.

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I just started learning double integrals. It is interestingly difficult. I know that switching dxdy to dydx can simplify the integration. I am not too clear why switching dxdy to dydx or vice-versa can make things easier.

Let S = integral symbol

SS [x/(1 + xy)] dxdy

Which is easier: SS [x/(1 + xy)] dxdy or
SS [x/(1 + xy)] dydx?

The region R is given to be:

{(x, y)| 0 less than or equal to x less than or equal to 1, 0 less than or equal to y less than or equal to 1 }.

What's the difference?
 
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Hi Harpazo,

What is your region of integration?
 
Euge said:
Hi Harpazo,

What is your region of integration?

I forgot to include the region. I will now edit the question.

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Euge said:
Hi Harpazo,

What is your region of integration?

The question has been edited.
 
Isn't the region of integration just a square? Since there's no variation in either variable there won't be any difference in reversing the order of integration...
 
To integrate with respect to y first, let u= 1+ xy. Then du= xdy . When y= 0 u= 1 and when y= 1, u= 1+ x. The first integral becomes \int_1^x \frac{du}{u}du= \left[ln(u)\right]_1^x= ln(x+1). We now have \int_0^1 ln(x+1)dx.

The other order is a little harder because of that "x" in the numerator.
 
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To integrate with respect to y first, let u= 1+ xy. Then du= xdy . When y= 0 u= 1 and when y= 1, u= 1+ x. The first integral becomes \int_1^x \frac{du}{u}du= \left[ln(u)\right]_1^x= ln(x+1). We now have \int_0^1 ln(x+1)dx.<br /> <br /> The other order is a little harder because of that &quot;x&quot; in the numerator.
<br /> <br /> Part of your LaTex reply did not display.
 
Harpazo said:
Part of your LaTex reply did not display.

I've edited that post to correct the problem.
 
greg1313 said:
I've edited that post to correct the problem.

What's the difference between integrating over dxdy as opposed to dydx for this problem?
 
Harpazo said:
What's the difference between integrating over dxdy as opposed to dydx for this problem?

What Prove It was trying to say above is that it makes no difference, because the region over which you are integrating is rectangular. If you have a triangle, or some region where $x$ and $y$ are interacting, then it can make a great deal of difference, and interchanging the order of integration is one of the standard tricks you should have in your toolbox.
 
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Ackbach said:
What Prove It was trying to say above is that it makes no difference, because the region over which you are integrating is rectangular. If you have a triangle, or some region where $x$ and $y$ are interacting, then it can make a great deal of difference, and interchanging the order of integration is one of the standard tricks you should have in your toolbox.

Thank you. I know it is a great tool to have in terms of multiple integrals. It takes a complicated or almost impossible double integral, in this case, and makes it easy to integrate.
 

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