Is the atomic structure correct

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The discussion revolves around the idea of rethinking atomic structure by questioning the necessity of the weak and strong nuclear forces, suggesting that only electromagnetism and gravity might suffice for unification. The original poster proposes that atoms could be composed of intertwined positive and negative particles, with neutrons being a fusion of these particles, challenging the conventional proton-neutron-electron model. Responses emphasize that the weak and strong forces are well-established through experimental evidence and are essential for explaining phenomena like neutron decay. Additionally, the conversation touches on the need for any unifying theory, such as string theory, to account for the four known forces. Overall, the dialogue encourages exploration of nuclear forces and their implications in particle physics.
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ive recently been reading about the string theory and
of course learned that it is attempting to unify the forces.
for a while now i have had an idea that its unlikely that
matter could actually have multiple quantum forces and by
eliminating two potentially unnessecary forces (weak and strong
nuclear forces)leaving electromagnet force (simple plus and negative)
and einstiens conception of gravity might make this unification
simpler... my reasoning for this is that maybe the atom is not
structured like the typical conception... (proton,nuetron center,
electron cloud)... take light photons for example, it is nuetral
until a higher energy particle collides with it then it breaks into
two oppositely charged particles. this little fact is what provoked my
idea... maybe the atom is actually just positive and negatively charged particles that are not structured as typically thought however they are intertwined, (nuetrons are just the fusion of the two particles). if atoms are indeed structured by an evenly distribution of particles then this hypothisezed "nuclear force" would not be nessecary would it? this is just a little idea i had and would like if anyone reading this could input there idea and other facts or problems with this because i would like to have this idea thouroughly discussed.. maybe someone can give me some ideas..

thanks to those who respond.
 
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I would add that weak and strong forces were invented precisely because there was no other way of describing certain experiments.

For instance, if there existed only gravity and electromagnetism, why would a neutron decay into a proton, an electron and an antineutrino (which all isolated neutrons do after some minutes) since, in that case, the only two forces among electron and proton would be atractive?

As Ambitwistor mentioned, the behavior of the strong and weak interactions has been well measured, and the model we have for them works beautifully up to the accuracy we can reach today in accellerators.

String theory (or any other attempt at grand unification) needs to reproduce this structure (i.e., four distinct forces in this range of energies).
 
thx

well thanks for the info... I am still in high school and just had an idea
and figured that you all could give me a push in some direction. do you have any info on nuclear forces that i could enllighten myself with.
 
k thx. I am about to search
 
one more question

"For instance, if there existed only gravity and electromagnetism, why would a neutron decay into a proton" --arkron

could it be possible that nuetrons and nuetrinos only decay due to high energy inercourses?
 
example of previous question

forgot to put this on my reply... light photons break down like this?
 
ok, I am put to rest
 

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