Is the Canonical Basis in Mathematics Just a Useful Convention?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the canonical basis in mathematics, particularly in the context of vector spaces. Participants explore definitions, implications, and the utility of the canonical basis compared to other bases in n-dimensional spaces. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects and the practical applications of these definitions.

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  • Some participants assert that every basis can be considered a canonical basis, while others challenge this view by providing examples of non-canonical bases.
  • A participant questions the completeness of their understanding of the canonical basis and seeks clarification on its definition and necessity.
  • Another participant emphasizes that canonical basis vectors are defined within a specific coordinate system, suggesting that transformations between bases can complicate the definition.
  • There is a discussion on the mathematical versus physical definitions of vectors, with some arguing that the mathematical definition allows for broader interpretations, while the physical definition requires more stringent properties.
  • A later reply suggests that the canonical basis is simply a useful convention without special properties, and that operations on vectors can be defined in a coordinate-free manner.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of the canonical basis, with no consensus reached on whether all bases can be considered canonical or the necessity of a specific definition.

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Participants highlight the limitations of definitions based on coordinate systems and the potential confusion arising from transformations between different bases. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications of these definitions in both mathematical and physical contexts.

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In many places the canonical basis is defined as a set of vectors with coordinates as:
[tex]\boldsymbol{e}_i=(0,...,1,...0)[/tex]
where "1" is on the i-th place. In my undestanding of such definicion every basis is canonical basis. If we write coordinates of basis vectors in the same basis we will get such sets of coordinates for any possible basis we choose in n-dimensional vector space. Is there any inconsistency in my thinking and understanding of what a canonical basis is?
 
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rkaminski said:
every basis is canonical basis.
No. A basis for the (x,y) plane is (1,0) and (0,2). That is not canonical. There are infinitely many more (1,-1) and (1,1) is another non canonical basis.
 
OK. So there is my problem, maybe it arises from my bad understanding of the definition. According to the above example, consider a Cartesian coordinate system. It obviously has two basis vectors: (1,0) and (0,1), and this set of vectors fulfills this a 'definition' of the canonical basis. Now, we form two vectors, as suggested above: (1,0) and (0,2). Now, we can find a transformation from one Cartesian basis to the new one. In this new basis, the two new two basis vectors will have new components, namely (1,0) and (0,1). So where is the problem?
 
rkaminski said:
Now, we can find a transformation from one Cartesian basis to the new one. In this new basis, the two new two basis vectors will have new components, namely (1,0) and (0,1). So where is the problem?
I see what you are saying. Canonical basis vectors are defined in a coordinate system. So (0,2) is not canonical in the original coordinate system. When you talk about transforming that vector to another coordinate system, that opens a can of worms that would only be confusing at this point IMO.
 
But is my original 'definition' of the canonical basis wrong or incomplete? Is this definition even needed at all? Because still, my understanding is that all possible set of basis vectors for a given vector space (for simplicity in 2D) can be expressed as (1,0) and (0,1).
 
rkaminski said:
But is my original 'definition' of the canonical basis wrong or incomplete? Is this definition even needed at all? Because still, my understanding is that all possible set of basis vectors for a given vector space (for simplicity in 2D) can be expressed as (1,0) and (0,1).
I think that the valid statement is that (1,0) is canonical in the given coordinate system and (0,2) is not.

The mathematical definition of "vector" is too broad for you to say what you want to say and the physics definition is too strict for you to want to say that.

In mathematics, I can legitimately define a "vector" that is (0,2) in any coordinate system. That is a well defined vector and it is (0,2) in every coordinate system. It can not be transformed into anything else and it can never be canonical in any coordinate system.

In physics, I would want a "vector" and transformations to have physical properties that are independent of coordinate system. Your transformation above (sending (1,0) => (1,0) and (0,2) => (0,1) ) has to distort one coordinate without distorting the other. In physics, you might not want to say that that is a valid transformation.

For now, it's probably better to just leave the definition of a canonical basis as (1,0), (0,1) in the given coordinate system and to say that other vectors are not canonical in that coordinate system.
 
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The canonical basis of ##\mathbb{R}^n## does not have any special properties, it is just a very useful convention. Given any ordered basis of an ##n##-dimensional real vector space we can write our vectors using the coordinates given by our basis, and it will be formally equivalent to working in ##\mathbb{R}^n## under the canonical basis. This is a handy convention in the same way that we write our functions in terms of polynomials and transcendental functions when possible.

Before you say that "the canonical basis interacts well with inner products and other vector operations" I'll mention that all of the operations on vectors can be defined in a coordinate free manner and once reduced to coordinates in the way I mentioned above, they will look like the coordinate specified definitions in the canonical basis, regardless of which basis you are actually using.
 

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