Is the CMB unique to our galaxy or present in all galaxies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) and whether it is unique to our galaxy or if it exists in all galaxies. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational evidence, and the characteristics of the CMB in relation to galactic processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the uniformity and near-perfect blackbody nature of the CMB cannot be explained by any known galactic processes, suggesting that it aligns with predictions from the big bang model.
  • Others propose that the CMB encodes the history and contents of the universe in its power spectrum, indicating it reflects global rather than local galactic phenomena.
  • A participant mentions that as the CMB travels through the universe, it interacts with matter, leaving imprints that correlate with large-scale structures, which they argue would not occur by chance.
  • One participant points out that the ability to determine redshift allows for estimates of the CMB's age and distance, supporting the idea that it is unrelated to our galaxy.
  • Another participant questions how to ascertain that a measured 2.7K microwave signal is indeed from the CMB and not from our galaxy, highlighting the need for careful extrapolation.
  • Concerns are raised about identifying which photons in the relevant frequency range originate from the CMB, with references to observational techniques that differentiate between the CMB and other sources like gas, dust, and quasars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the CMB and galactic processes, with some supporting the idea that the CMB is a universal phenomenon while others raise questions about the origins of specific measurements. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the CMB's origins, including assumptions about redshift and the dependence on observational techniques to differentiate between various sources of microwave radiation.

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How do we know that the cmb is not just related to just our galaxy, and that all galaxies have there own cmb?
 
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A few thoughts off the top of my head. 1) the uniformity of the CMB, and the fact that it is a near perfect blackbody cannot be explained through any known galactic process. We would need dramatic new physics to account for it, whereas the big bang model predicts it just as we see it. 2) The CMB encodes the history and contents of the universe in its power spectrum, so it tells us something globally about the observable universe, rather than reflecting local galactic processes. 3) As the CMB travels through the universe, it interacts with matter (ionized gas, hot electrons, etc), and these interactions leave imprints on the CMB. These imprints are found to correlate well with large scale structures, like galaxy clusters, in the universe. That ain't going to happen by chance.
 
Also because we can determine the amount of redshift, we can make reasonable estimates of how old it is and how far away it is.
Since it is older than our galaxy and more distant than any galaxies we can see, then it can't be anything to do with our own galaxy.
 
Thanks for clearing that up Bapowlell
 
rootone said:
Also because we can determine the amount of redshift, we can make reasonable estimates of how old it is and how far away it is.
Since it is older than our galaxy and more distant than any galaxies we can see, then it can't be anything to do with our own galaxy.
But I think the OP is asking: suppose you measure a 2.7K microwave. How do you know it didn't come from our galaxy? Extrapolating via redshift presumes that it is a CMB photon.
 
OK, I see your point, though I can't think of any galactic scale process which might produce a highly red shifted signature of Helium.
 
There's also the related question, "Which photons in this frequency range came from the CMB?"

That question is answered by observing the sky at many frequencies (WMAP uses five, Planck uses nine). The CMB itself has a very specific frequency dependence, while the gas and dust in or own galaxy, as well as other objects that are bright in the relevant frequency range such as some quasars, have very different frequency profiles.
 

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