Is the Conventional Wisdom of Energy and Bond Formation Always Accurate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conventional understanding of energy in bond formation and breaking, particularly questioning whether this understanding holds true in all scenarios. Participants explore the implications of bond stability, energy states, and the conditions under which bonds may break spontaneously.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that the conventional wisdom stating that energy is required to break a bond and released to form a bond may not apply universally, especially for unstable bonds.
  • Another participant asserts that by definition, a bond represents a lower energy state compared to the unbound state, thus requiring energy to break it, but acknowledges that some bonds can be easily broken due to low energy requirements.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while unstable bonds may have shallow energy depressions, breaking them still requires energy, although some molecules may have sufficient energy to break these bonds spontaneously due to energy distribution among molecules.
  • One participant reflects on the semantics of describing a "molecule" held together by external forces, suggesting that such a scenario complicates the conventional understanding of bond stability and energy requirements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the accuracy of conventional wisdom on energy and bond formation. The discussion remains unresolved with differing interpretations of bond stability and energy dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering the stability of bonds and the conditions under which they may break, indicating that the discussion is limited by assumptions about energy distribution and definitions of molecular stability.

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Just double-checking myself on something:

Typically at the high-school level, we say that it takes energy to break a bond, but energy is released to form a bond. This has always bothered me because even with a naive understanding of enthalpies we can see formations with different signs. To me then, this conventional wisdom is a decent generalization only for stable bonds, but for molecules that spontaneously break, this wisdom is not so sound.

Sound alright?
 
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By definition, a bond involves a lower energy state the unbound state.
It follows that you need to supply energy to break a bond.

Some bonds are easily broken because the energy required is very low.
For instance, some combinations of atoms are unstable at room temperature because the hea in the room quickly supplies the energy needed to break the bond. It is also possible for a configuration to be finely balanced so the energy vs distance graph has a local minima on top of a global maxima ... thus, a small amount of energy input means that the configuration cannot come back together again.

Can you come up with an example of a molecule that spontaneously breaks without input of energy?
 
QuestionMarks said:
Sound alright?

No. Every bond means a depression in the potential energy landscape, to leave the depression you need to deliver the energy to jump from the depression. Unstable bonds have the depression very shallow, and as energy is not distributed uniformly between molecules it often happens that part of the population of molecules have enough energy for the unstable bond to be broken - but it doesn't mean it breaks without energy.
 
My problem then seems a poor choice of semantics as I'm willing to imagine a "molecule" effectively held together by some externally applied force (which would spontaneously break upon removal of that external energy)...but we would not call this a molecule.
 

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