Is the Emperor Naked? A Deeper Look at Art Criticism

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the validity of art criticism and the qualifications necessary to engage in it. Participants explore whether expertise, such as a Ph.D., is required to make meaningful critiques of art, and how this compares to other fields like science and medicine. The conversation touches on philosophical aspects of debate and the nature of subjective versus objective claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a Ph.D. in art or fashion is necessary for valid criticism, suggesting that basic understanding may suffice.
  • Others argue that certain subjects, like physics, require rigorous understanding due to their complexity and counter-intuitive nature.
  • A participant emphasizes that in a debating context, the validity of a point should stand independently of the speaker's qualifications.
  • There is a reference to the story of the emperor, where a child's observation challenges the need for formal qualifications in recognizing truths.
  • Some participants highlight that fashion judgments are subjective and relative, contrasting them with scientific claims that can be objectively verified.
  • Concerns are raised about who determines the validity of a point in philosophical debates, suggesting that it may depend on whether it is refuted or remains unchallenged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of formal qualifications for art criticism, with no consensus reached on whether expertise is essential or if lay observations can be equally valid.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the subjective nature of art criticism while contrasting it with the objective verification possible in scientific claims. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications of expertise in various fields.

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Do you need a Ph.D in Fashion to see that the emperor is naked? Do you have to study art for decades before your criticism of it becomes valid? These questions might seem odd, but I hope you understand the underlying message.
 
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Perhaps I don't. I would have thought that just knowing the definition of "naked" would suffice!
 
On the other hand, I wouldn't take drug prescriptions from someone who did not have a medical degree. Some subjects require rigorous understanding, and some don't. I think you just gave examples of 2 subjects that don't require such rigorous understanding. Understanding physics, on the other hand, is different because it requires an understanding of the mathematical framework, and sometimes can also be very counter-intuitive (eg, linear superposition of states).
 
In a debating forum, a valid point stands on its own regardless of who made it or under what circumstances.

Now, the question is, can the point be defended intelligently?
 
DaveC426913 said:
In a debating forum, a valid point stands on its own regardless of who made it or under what circumstances.

Now, the question is, can the point be defended intelligently?

Yes, but who gets to decide if the point is valid (ie., it can be defended intelligently), especially if the debate is philosophical in nature?
 
In the story it was small child who first recognized the emperor was naked, thus, no PhD required. In fact, it may be that a PhD would get in the way.
 
RetardedBastard said:
Yes, but who gets to decide if the point is valid (ie., it can be defended intelligently), especially if the debate is philosophical in nature?
?? The point is either refuted by the opponent or it stands unrefuted.
 
Fashion is a mater of preference, popularity, and aesthetics. Thus fashion judgments are both highly relative and subjective.

The basis of science and philosophy are none of these things.

Also the emperor isn’t wearing cloths is an existence claim that can easily be verified/disproved by inspection. Not all claims can be verified in such a convenient manner.
 
wuliheron said:
In the story it was small child who first recognized the emperor was naked, thus, no PhD required. In fact, it may be that a PhD would get in the way.
I do believe that, in fact, that is the moral of the fable.
 

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