Is the Graph of y = x^x Significant?

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The discussion centers around the significance of the graph of the function y = x^x, exploring its properties, particularly for negative values of x, and its implications in complex analysis. Participants examine the behavior of the function, its derivatives, and related concepts such as hyperpower functions.

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  • Some participants question the significance of the graph of y = x^x, noting its unusual appearance.
  • It is mentioned that the function takes complex values for x < 0, which raises curiosity about its behavior in that domain.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in plotting the function for negative values using Mathematica, while others suggest methods to do so.
  • There is a discussion about the derivative of y = x^x, with participants providing the derivative formula and discussing its implications for negative x.
  • Some participants propose exploring the hyperpower function f(x) = x^{x^{x^{x^{...}}} and its upper bound related to a famous constant.
  • Concerns are raised about the realness of y when x is negative, particularly for specific forms of x, and the implications of using the principal value of the logarithm.
  • One participant notes the critical point of f(x) = x^x at x = 1/e, indicating interest in its mathematical properties.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the significance and properties of the function, particularly regarding its behavior for negative values and the implications of complex analysis. No consensus is reached on the overall significance of the graph or the nature of its values in different domains.

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Participants discuss the complex branch-cut structure of the function and its implications for real values, highlighting limitations in understanding without deeper knowledge of complex analysis. The discussion also touches on the challenges of plotting the function in certain software.

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Heyyhey...just wondering, is the graph of y = x^x significant in anyway?

it looks kinda weird...?
 
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Chinese cooks usually put the spaghetti threads in that particular shape on your plate.

Other than that, I don't know if that graph is "significant".
 
it is particularly weird for x<0, being that it takes complex values there...
 
benorin said:
it is particularly weird for x<0, being that it takes complex values there...
The Chinese have never liked the negatives.
 
I can't get mathematica to plot this function for negative values. Anyone know how I can do it?
 
I think someone has already answered your question.
it is particularly weird for x<0, being that it takes complex values there...
 
I fail to see how I would be unable to plot it.
 
Complex meaning they are imaginary.
Try x=-1/2
 
Dragonfall said:
I can't get mathematica to plot this function for negative values. Anyone know how I can do it?

Yep, just do Plot[{y=x^2},{x,-10,10}] and you get all the values from -10 to 10 of this super significant function x^x.
 
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arunbg said:
Complex meaning they are imaginary.
Try x=-1/2

Mathematica can plot complex functions, and this function in particular because it's R->C.

heartless said:
Yep, just do Plot[{y=x^2},{x,-10,10}] and you get all the values from -10 to 10 of this super significant function x^x.

How does plotting x^2 give me all the values of x^x?
 
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thnx cool guys... what's the derivative of y=x^x ?
 
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meee said:
thnx cool guys... what's the derivative of y=x^x ?
[tex]y=x^x=e^{\ln{x^x}}=e^{x\ln{x}}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=(1+\ln{x})e^{x\ln{x}}=(1+\ln{x})x^x[/tex]
 
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It is much more interesting and informative to plot the hyperpower function [tex]f(x) = x^{x^{x^{x^{...}}}}[/tex]

Find the upper bound of x for which that function is defined and see if you can spot the relationship of that bound to a famous constant.
 
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LeonhardEuler said:
[tex]y=x^x=e^{\ln{x^x}}=e^{x\ln{x}}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=(1+\ln{x})e^{x\ln{x}}=(1+\ln{x})x^x[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=x^x(1+\ln{x})[/tex] is not real when x is a real negative number, yet if x is negative and of the form [tex]x=\frac{p}{2q+1}[/tex], where p,q are positive or negative integers, then y is real. Curious, no? It has to do with the complex branch-cut structure of [tex]y=x^x=e^{x\ln{x}+2k\pi ix},k=0,\pm 1, \pm 2,\ldots[/tex].

Source: "A Course of Modern Analysis" by Whittaker & Watson, pg. 107.
 
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benorin said:
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=x^x(1+\ln{x})[/tex] is not real when x is a real negative number, yet if x is negative and of the form [tex]x=\frac{p}{2q+1}[/tex], where p,q are positive or negative integers, then y is real. Curious, no? It has to do with the complex branch-cut structure of [tex]y=x^x=e^{x\ln{x}+2k\pi ix},k=0,\pm 1, \pm 2,\ldots[/tex].

Source: "A Course of Modern Analysis" by Whittaker & Watson, pg. 107.

I'm not sure about this, certainly for x in that domain and of that form, a real value of y exists if y is defined to be multivalued.

But if the principal value of ln(x) is used, which is [tex]Ln(x) + \pi i[/tex], then the value of y returned won't necessarily be real, right? :confused:

Sorry, I don't know that much about complex analysis, just the basics. I do know the principal branch for ln x, but not the one for x^x. I would've assumed it would be based on the branch cut of the log function, giving [tex]x^x = e^{x Ln(x)} = e^{x ln(|x|) + i\pi x} = \frac{\cos{(\pi |x|)} - i\sin{(\pi |x|)}}{|x|^{|x|}}[/tex] (for negative real x) which would not necessarily return real values even for x of the form [tex]\frac{n}{2k+1}[/tex]
 
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f(x) = x^(x^(x^(x^x)))...
 
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I've always liked that the only critical point of [tex]f(x) = x^x[/tex] is
[tex]x = \frac{1}{e}[/tex]
 

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