Is the Hypothesis of Real and Imaginary Components for F(ω) True?

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The discussion centers around the hypothesis regarding the real and imaginary components of the Fourier transform, specifically whether the relationships between these components and certain functions are valid. Participants explore the mathematical definitions and implications of these relationships, focusing on the Fourier transform and its properties.

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  • Some participants propose that the relationships ##\text{Re}(\hat f (\omega)) = a(\omega)## and ##\text{Im}(\hat f (\omega)) = b(\omega)## are true, but seek clarification on their validity.
  • Others emphasize the importance of defining ##\hat f(\omega)## as the Fourier transform of ##f(t)##, suggesting that this definition is crucial for proving or disproving the proposed relationships.
  • A participant mentions the connection between the exponential form of the Fourier transform and the sine and cosine components, indicating a need to explore this relationship further.
  • Some express confusion regarding the direct connection between ##a(\omega)## and ##b(\omega)## with the real and imaginary parts of ##f(\omega)##, indicating a lack of clarity in the relationships being discussed.
  • One participant provides a detailed mathematical derivation involving integrals and transformations, but it is unclear how this relates to the original hypothesis.
  • Another participant suggests starting from the definition of ##\hat f## to clarify the relationships, indicating that the current approach may not be effective.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the proposed relationships. There are multiple competing views regarding the definitions and implications of the Fourier transform and its components, leading to ongoing debate and exploration.

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Some participants note that the discussion lacks clear definitions and connections between the proposed functions and the Fourier transform, which may hinder the ability to prove or disprove the initial hypothesis. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that participants have yet to clarify.

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I never see the following hypothesis but I believe that they are true...

##\text{Re}(\hat f (\omega)) = a(\omega)##

##\text{Im}(\hat f (\omega)) = b(\omega)##


where:

##f(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\hat f(\omega) \exp(i \omega t) d\omega = \int_{0}^{\infty} a(\omega) \cos(\omega t) + b(\omega) \sin(\omega t) d\omega##


##\hat f (\omega) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}f(t) \exp(-i \omega t) dt##


##a(\omega) = \frac{1}{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} f(t) \cos(\omega t) dt##

##b(\omega) = \frac{1}{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} f(t) \sin(\omega t) dt##


So, the two first equations are true?
 
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You are missing the definition of ##\hat f(\omega)##.
From there you should be able to prove (or disprove) the relationships yourself.
 
Simon Bridge said:
You are missing the definition of ##\hat f(\omega)##.
From there you should be able to prove (or disprove) the relationships yourself.

Is unmistakable that ##\hat f## represents the Fourier transform of ##f## !
 
Jhenrique said:
I never see the following hypothesis but I believe that they are true...

##\text{Re}(\hat f (\omega)) = a(\omega)##

##\text{Im}(\hat f (\omega)) = b(\omega)##

where:

##\hat f (\omega) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}f(t) \exp(-i \omega t) dt##
Use the fact that e^{-i\omega t}= cos(\omega t)- i sin(\omega t).

##a(\omega) = \frac{1}{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} f(t) \cos(\omega t) dt##

##b(\omega) = \frac{1}{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} f(t) \sin(\omega t) dt##

So, the two first equations are true?
 
An phasor in the complex form is ##A \exp(i(\omega t + \varphi)) = A \exp(i \varphi) \exp(i \omega t)##, the summation of phasors wrt angular frequency is ##\sum A(\omega) \exp(i \varphi(\omega)) \exp(i \omega t) \Delta \omega = \sum \hat f(\omega) \exp(i \omega t) \Delta \omega##. So, becomes clear that the ##\text{Abs}(\hat f(\omega)) = A(\omega)## and ##\text{Arg}(\hat f(\omega)) = \varphi(\omega)##.

What I want mean is that I don't understand the relation that a(ω) and b(ω) has with f(ω).
 
Jhenrique said:
Is unmistakable that ##\hat f## represents the Fourier transform of ##f## !
... but you edited post #1 to include that anyway - thank you ;)
So your next step was to relate the sine and cosine form to the exponential in the Fourier transform re post #4.

Jhenrique said:
What I want mean is that I don't understand the relation that a(ω) and b(ω) has with f(ω).

As in post #4. ##e^{-i\omega t}=\cos\omega t - i\sin\omega t##
Make the substitution in the Fourier transformation definition... which you gave as:
$$\hat f(\omega)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty f(t)e^{-i\omega t}\;dt$$ ... and follow your nose.

Did you try that?
 
Yeah, but I don't see in none place a direct connection between a(ω) and b(ω) with Re(f(ω)) and Im(f(ω)).
 
Please show your working.
 
$$

\\f(x) = \int_{0}^{\infty} A(\omega) \cos(x \omega) + B(\omega) \sin(x \omega) d\omega

\\ = \frac{1}{\pi} \int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t)(\cos(\omega t) \cos(\omega x) + \sin(\omega t) \sin(\omega x))dt d\omega

\\ = \frac{1}{\pi} \int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t)\cos(\omega(x-t))dt d\omega

\\ = \frac{1}{2 \pi} \int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t)(\exp(i \omega (x-t)) + \exp(-i \omega(x-t)))dt d\omega

\\ = \frac{1}{2 \pi} \int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t) \exp(i \omega (x-t))dt d\omega + \frac{1}{2 \pi} \int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t) \exp(-i \omega(x-t)) dt d\omega

\\ = \frac{1}{2 \pi} \int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t) \exp(i \omega (x-t))dt d\omega + \frac{1}{2 \pi} \int_{-infty}^{0} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t) \exp(i \omega(x-t)) dt d\omega

\\ = \frac{1}{2 \pi} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t) \exp(i \omega(x-t))dt d\omega

\\ = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(t) \exp(-i \omega t) dt \right) \exp(i \omega x) d \omega

\\ = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \left( \hat f(\omega) \right) \exp(i \omega x) d \omega

$$
 
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So...?
 
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You started at the wrong place.

Start from your stated definition for ##\hat f## ... the one with the exponential in it. That is your first line.

Your second line should use the substitution for the exponential in terms of sine and cosine.
 

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