Is the Integral Syntax Correct for dx = v dt and x = \int v dt?

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The discussion revolves around the correctness of integral syntax in the context of calculus, specifically regarding the expressions dx = v dt and x = ∫ v dt. Participants explore the implications of these expressions and the proper treatment of integration in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the syntax dx = v dt and x = ∫ v dt is correct, while others suggest that dx = v dt should lead to integrating both sides, resulting in x = ∫ v dt.
  • One participant emphasizes that the integral is not "well defined" without including a constant of integration, suggesting that the correct expression should be x = ∫ v dt + C.
  • Another participant argues that the notation ∫ v dt can be viewed as a single symbol, which complicates the interpretation of dx = v dt, proposing that it could be expressed as dx/dt = v instead.
  • There is a mention that indefinite integrals are unique only up to an additive constant, indicating a nuanced understanding of integration.
  • Some participants express differing views on whether the constant of integration is necessary in certain contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct syntax and treatment of the integral expressions, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining throughout the discussion.

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Limitations include the potential ambiguity in the notation used and the varying interpretations of integration and differentiation, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Is the following syntax correct?

dx = v\ dt
x = \int v\ dt

or should it be:

dx = v \ dt
dx = \int v \ dt
 
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konik said:
Is the following syntax correct?

dx = v\ dt
x = \int v\ dt
This is OK. Realize that this is just saying that:
\int \ dx = x

or should it be:

dx = v \ dt
dx = \int v \ dt
That's no good--you must integrate both sides.
 
The first. Obviously, the two right sides of the second are not the same and cannot both be equal to dx.

What you are doing is starting with dx= v dt and integrating both sides:
\int x= \int v dt. Since \int dx= x the result is x= \int v dt.

(The integral is not "well defined" so that should be x= \int v dt+ C.)
(Once again, Doc Al comes in 2 seconds ahead of me!)
 
HallsofIvy said:
The integral is not "well defined" so that should be x= \int v dt+ C

We don't really need to include the additional C, since indefinite integrals are only unique up to a additive constant anyway.
 
Yes, of course. The anti-derivative of x^2 is \int x^2 dx which is, itself, equal to (1/3)x^3+ C. It is only in the last that we need the "C".
 
Actually, I prefer to think of
\int v \, dt
as notation where the \int dt is a single symbol.
The equation
dx = v dt
wouldn't make sense then but can be written
dx/dt = v
or considered as a limit.

(Of course, I also use them as mnemonics and manipulate them as ordinary fractions, but sometimes it's good to keep things clear and separate legal operations from convenient notation).
 

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