Is the Inverse of this Matrix Possible?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of finding the inverse of a specific 3x3 matrix. Participants explore the determinant of the matrix and the implications of its value on the existence of an inverse, engaging in various methods of calculation and reasoning.

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  • One participant claims that the matrix does not have an inverse, prompting others to verify this assertion.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the determinant to determine if the matrix is invertible, noting that a zero determinant indicates non-invertibility.
  • Several participants engage in calculating the determinant using cofactor expansion, ultimately arriving at a determinant of zero.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of having a row of zeros in the row-reduced form of the matrix, with some participants questioning whether this indicates inconsistency.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the term "inconsistent matrix" and the concept of solutions in this context, while affirming the matrix has no inverse.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding determinants when dealing with matrices.
  • Participants share their row operation steps, leading to a conclusion that the matrix is inconsistent due to the presence of a row of zeros.

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Participants generally agree that the matrix does not have an inverse due to the determinant being zero. However, there is some disagreement regarding the terminology and implications of inconsistency in the context of matrix inverses.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of inconsistency and solutions in relation to the matrix, as well as the specific row operations performed by participants.

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I tried to find the inverse of below matrix and what I get is no inverse.

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 \\ 4 & 5 & 6 \\ 7 & 8 & 9
\end{array}
\right)
##

Can someone please check it whether I am correct or not?
 
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What have you done so far?
 
This is what I get

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr|rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 2 & \frac{4}{3} & -\frac{1}{3} & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & -1 & -2 & 1
\end{array}
\right)
##
 
Difficult to check something you cannot see.

What is the determinant? Maybe the matrix isn't invertible.
(You could compute the determinant along the first row. If it's zero, it isn't invertible.)

You could also try the computational method with the adjugate matrix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjugate_matrix#Inverses
but I would compute the determinant first.
 
Basically, I rewrote the matrix in the below form:

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr|rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 4 & 5 & 6 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 7 & 8 & 9 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{array}
\right)
##

Next, I do row operation, and what I get is this:

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr|rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 2 & \frac{4}{3} & -\frac{1}{3} & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & -1 & -2 & 1
\end{array}
\right)
##
 
Assuming you made no mistake, what does this tell you?
 
fresh_42 said:
Assuming you made no mistake, what does this tell you?

Is this inconsistent matrix? Does this mean the matrix has no solutions/invers?
 
I don't know what an inconsistent matrix is or what you mean by a solution, since there is nowhere an equation to solve.
But it has no inverse, yes. Do you know how to compute a determinant and what it says? If not you should read about it, because it is essential when dealing with matrices.
 
fresh_42 said:
I don't know what an inconsistent matrix is or what you mean by a solution, since there is nowhere an equation to solve.
But it has no inverse, yes. Do you know how to compute a determinant and what it says? If not you should read about it, because it is essential when dealing with matrices.

OK, let me find the determinant of below matrix by row 3 expansion.

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 \\ 4 & 5 & 6 \\ 7 & 8 & 9
\end{array}
\right)
##

##a_{31} = 7, a_{32} = 8, a_{33} = 9##

##C_{31} = (-1)^{3+1}
\left|
\begin{array}{rr}
2 & 3 \\ 5 & 6 \\
\end{array}
\right|
= (-1)^{4}(2.6 - 3.5) = (1)(12 - 15) = (1)(-3) = -3##

##C_{32} = (-1)^{3+2}
\left|
\begin{array}{rr}
1 & 3 \\ 4 & 6 \\
\end{array}
\right|
= (-1)^{5}(1.6 - 3.4) = (-1)(6 - 12) = (-1)(-6) = 6##

##C_{33} = (-1)^{3+3}
\left|
\begin{array}{rr}
1 & 2 \\ 4 & 5 \\
\end{array}
\right|
= (-1)^{6}(1.5 - 2.4) = (1)(5 - 8) = (1)(-3) = -3##

##\det = a_{31}.C_{31} + a_{32}.C_{32} + a_{33}.C_{33}##
##= 7(-3) + 8(6) + 9(-3)##
##= -21 + 48 -27##
##= 0##
 
  • #10
0 is correct.

There are matrices without an inverse, this is one example. And there is a nice relation between the determinant of a matrix and the existence of an inverse matrix.
 
  • #11
askor said:
Next, I do row operation, and what I get is this:

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr|rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 2 & \frac{4}{3} & -\frac{1}{3} & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & -1 & -2 & 1
\end{array}
\right)
##

If your text materials want you to find the inverse of the matrix by row operations, we should investigate what row operations you did.
 
  • #12
Stephen Tashi said:
If your text materials want you to find the inverse of the matrix by row operations, we should investigate what row operations you did.

This the row operation:

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr|rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 4 & 5 & 6 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 7 & 8 & 9 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{array}
\right)
##

R2 - 4R1 and R3 - 7R1

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr|rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & -3 & -6 & -4 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & -6 & -12 & -7 & 0 & 1
\end{array}
\right)
##

R2 x ##(-\frac{1}{3})##

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr|rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 2 & \frac{4}{3} & -\frac{1}{3} & 0 \\ 0 & -6 & -12 & -7 & 0 & 1
\end{array}
\right)
##

R3 + 6R2

##
\left(
\begin{array}{rrr|rrr}
1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 2 & \frac{4}{3} & -\frac{1}{3} & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & -2 & 1
\end{array}
\right)
##

As you can see in the last matrix, the 3rd row has 0 0 0. It means that this matrix is inconsistent.
 
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  • #13
Your steps are correct.
 

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