Is the Kronecker Delta Related to the Dirac Delta in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Kronecker delta and the Dirac delta function in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the inner product of wave functions and their implications in integrals. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and mathematical reasoning related to these functions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the equality <{\psi}_{n} \mid {\psi}_{m}>=\int {\psi}_{m}^*{\psi}_{n}dx={\delta }_{mn} suggests that the product {\psi}_{m}^*{\psi}_{n} must be equal to the Dirac delta function.
  • Another participant asserts that <{\psi}_{n} \mid {\psi}_{m}> is equal to the Kronecker delta and that the Dirac delta function does not apply unless specific conditions about the functions are known.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier statement, reiterating that the integral of the Dirac delta function equals 1 only under certain conditions, specifically when integrating over the same point.
  • Further clarification is provided that the integral of the product of wave functions over all space yields the Kronecker delta, and the Dirac delta function does not factor into this unless specific conditions are met.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the Kronecker delta and the Dirac delta function, with no consensus reached on whether the product of wave functions can be equated to the Dirac delta function.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the wave functions involved and the specific conditions under which the integrals are evaluated. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or the definitions of the functions in question.

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Hello PF,

When I was studying Quantum mechanics, I realized that this equality should be true,

&lt;{\psi}_{n} \mid {\psi}_{m}&gt;=\int {\psi}_{m}^*{\psi}_{n}dx={\delta }_{mn}

So {\psi}_{m}^*{\psi}_{n} must be equal to dirac delta function so that we provide the kronecker delta as a solution of the integral.

Therefore, this equation must be true, mustn't it?

\int \delta (x-x&#039;)dx={\delta }_{mn}

Or, if it is wrong, what is the expression {\psi}_{m}^*{\psi}_{n} equal to?

Thanks for your opinions and helps.
 
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coki2000 said:
So &lt;{\psi}_{n} \mid {\psi}_{m}&gt; must be equal to dirac delta function

No, it's equal to the Kronecker delta. The Dirac delta does not enter in at all here unless you know something about the actual functions \Psi

\int \delta(x - x&#039;)dx = 1 only if you integrate over x = x' within your integration. That's all you can say about that equation.
 
Pengwuino said:
No, it's equal to the Kronecker delta. The Dirac delta does not enter in at all here unless you know something about the actual functions \Psi

\int \delta(x - x&#039;)dx = 1 only if you integrate over x = x' within your integration. That's all you can say about that equation.

Sorry, I mean this {\psi}_{m}^*{\psi}_{n} must be equal to dirac delta. I corrected it now.
 
coki2000 said:
Sorry, I mean this {\psi}_{m}^*{\psi}_{n} must be equal to dirac delta. I corrected it now.

Not quite.

\int_{All Space} \psi^*_m\psi_n dx = \delta_{mn} where the integration is over the whole space that you're looking at. Nowhere in this does a Dirac delta come into play and it's only valid when you look at the integration over the whole space. Look at a specific, easy example like the simple harmonic oscillator with say, n = 0 and m = 1. The product \psi^*_{m = 1} \psi_{n = 0} will clearly not be 0, but the integration will be.
 

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