Is the Magnitude of the Fly's Acceleration Constant in a Helical Path?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the motion of a fly along a helical path defined by a specific parametric equation. Participants are tasked with demonstrating whether the magnitude of the fly's acceleration remains constant under certain conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to find the second derivative of the position vector to determine acceleration. There are attempts to clarify the components of acceleration and how to calculate its magnitude. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the components and the steps involved in finding the magnitude.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the calculation of the magnitude of acceleration. There is a recognition of the complexity involved, and some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the components of acceleration.

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Some participants mention previous similar problems and express a desire for clarification on specific steps without seeking complete solutions. There is an acknowledgment of the need to simplify expressions and ensure correct calculations.

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I hope I posted in the right place. Sorry in advanced.

Homework Statement


A buzzing fly moves in a helical path given by the equation
r(t) = ib sin [tex]\omega[/tex]t + jb cos [tex]\omega[/tex]t + kct[tex]^{2}[/tex]
Show that the magnitude of the acceleration of the fly is constant, provided b, [tex]\omega[/tex], and c are constant.

The Attempt at a Solution


x = b sin [tex]\omega[/tex]t
y = b cos [tex]\omega[/tex]t
z = ct[tex]^{2}[/tex]

In class we did a similar problem, but in that problem we had to find the trajectory in space. I'm a little slow, but it's just not helping me with this one. Same with the textbook. I'll go to my teacher if I have to.

I'm not asking someone to do the problem, just get me started. Once that happens, I'll try to go over it here in case I have more questions. Thank you!
 
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The acceleration is the second derivative of r(t) with respect to t. What is that?
 
Dick said:
The acceleration is the second derivative of r(t) with respect to t. What is that?

The first derivative:
ib[tex]\omega[/tex] cos [tex]\omega[/tex]t - jb[tex]\omega[/tex] sin [tex]\omega[/tex]t + 2kct

Second derivative:
-ib[tex]\omega[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex] sin [tex]\omega[/tex]t - jb[tex]\omega[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex] cos [tex]\omega[/tex]t + 2kc

Is that right?
 
Now find the magnitude...
 
Ravenatic20 said:
Second derivative:
-ib[tex]\omega[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex] sin [tex]\omega[/tex]t - jb[tex]\omega[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex] cos [tex]\omega[/tex]t + 2kc

Is that right?

Sure; that;s correct :approve:...But very ugly!:wink: Try writing the entire equation inside the [ tex] or [ itex] tags instead:

[tex]\mathbf{a}(t)=-b\omega^2\sin(\omega t)\mathbf{i}-b\omega^2\cos(\omega t)\mathbf{j}+2c\mathbf{k}[/tex]

(You can click on the above equation to see the code that generated it)

Now, as Nabeshin said, calculate the magnitude :smile:
 
Thank you guys :)

Now what is the first step in calculating the magnitude? I am used to plugging in numbers to do that.
 
You know what the x,y, and z-components of a are, so square them, add the squares, and take the square root as per usual.

[tex]||\mathbf{a}||=\sqrt{a_x^2+a_y^2+a_y^2}[/tex]
 
So I take [tex]\mathbf{a}[/tex] (the second derivative above), and factor in x for the first part. So it would look like this:

[tex]\mathbf{a_x}(t)=[-b\omega^2\sin(\omega t)\mathbf{i}-b\omega^2\cos(\omega t)\mathbf{j}+2c\mathbf{k}*\mathbf{b}sin(\omega t)]^2[/tex], where [tex]\mathbf{b}sin(\omega t)[/tex] is x.

Then do the same thing for y and z, add the terms up, and take the square root. Am I on the right track? Then I simplify as much as possible?
 
Ravenatic20 said:
So I take [tex]\mathbf{a}[/tex] (the second derivative above), and factor in x for the first part. So it would look like this:

[tex]\mathbf{a_x}(t)=[-b\omega^2\sin(\omega t)\mathbf{i}-b\omega^2\cos(\omega t)\mathbf{j}+2c\mathbf{k}*\mathbf{b}sin(\omega t)]^2[/tex], where [tex]\mathbf{b}sin(\omega t)[/tex] is x.

Then do the same thing for y and z, add the terms up, and take the square root. Am I on the right track? Then I simplify as much as possible?

Huh?!:confused:

No! [itex]a_x[/itex] is the x-component of a...that's just [itex]-b\omega^2\sin(\omega t)[/itex]...what are
[itex]a_y[/itex] and [itex]a_z[/itex]?
 
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gabbagabbahey said:
Huh?!:confused:

No! [itex]a_x[/itex] is the x-component of a...that's just [itex]-b\omega^2\sin(\omega t)[/itex]...what are
[itex]a_y[/itex] and [itex]a_z[/itex]?
Thank you. I always over complicate things. I believe I know how to do it now.

To answer your question, y is [tex]-b\omega^2\cos(\omega t)[/tex] and z is [tex]2c[/tex]
Now I square them, add them up, and take the square root of that sum (this:[tex]||\mathbf{a}||=\sqrt{a_x^2+a_y^2+a_y^2}[/tex]). Correct?
 
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Correct. So what is the result?
 

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