Is the Matrix R Necessarily Lower Triangular in Matrix Decomposition?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of matrix decomposition, specifically focusing on whether the matrix ##\mathbf R##, derived from the equation ##\mathbf R\mathbf R^T = \mathbf C## for a symmetric real-valued square matrix ##\mathbf C##, is necessarily lower triangular. The scope includes theoretical aspects of matrix decomposition methods, particularly Cholesky decomposition and other potential methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suspects that ##\mathbf R## is not necessarily lower triangular, questioning the uniqueness of the Cholesky decomposition.
  • Another participant explains that the product of any square matrix with its transpose results in a symmetric matrix, supporting the symmetry of ##\mathbf C##.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial suspicion that ##\mathbf R## is not necessarily lower triangular, indicating a shift in understanding.
  • Another participant suggests that if ##\mathbf C## is positive semidefinite, it can be decomposed using a unitary matrix and a diagonal matrix, leading to a symmetric ##\mathbf R## that satisfies the original equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that ##\mathbf R## is not necessarily lower triangular, but multiple competing views on the methods of calculating ##\mathbf R## remain, particularly regarding the implications of different decomposition techniques.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the conditions under which different decomposition methods apply, nor does it clarify the implications of matrix properties such as positive semidefiniteness on the form of ##\mathbf R##.

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I would like to learn bit more about matrices and their decomposition. Let ##\mathbf C## be symmetric real-valued square matrix. Let ##\mathbf R## be such that

$$
\mathbf R\mathbf R^T = \mathbf C.
$$

Is the matrix ##\mathbf R## necessarily lower triangular (I suspect not)?

Cholesky decomposition leads to ##\mathbf R## that is lower triangular. Is there some other method of calculationg ##\mathbf R## ?
 
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For two matrices A and B we have:

<br /> (AB)_{ij}=\sum_k A_{ik}B_{kj}<br />

Now we have B=A^T \Rightarrow B_{kj}=A_{jk} so the above equation becomes:

<br /> (AA^T)_{ij}=\sum_k A_{ik}A_{jk}<br />

Now it is obvious that (AA^T)_{ij}=(AA^T)_{ji}

So the product of any square matrix with its transpose is a symmetric matrix.
 
OK, from your example now I see ##\mathbf R## is not necessarily lower triangular. Thanks.
 
Jano L. said:
Cholesky decomposition leads to ##\mathbf R## that is lower triangular. Is there some other method of calculationg ##\mathbf R## ?
Since your matrix C is a symmetric real-valued square matrix, it can be decomposed as C=UƩUT, where U is a real unitary matrix and Ʃ is a diagonal matrix. If C is positive semidefinite, then R=UƩ1/2UT is a symmetric real-valued matrix such that RR=C. Since it's symmetric, one also has RRT=C since RT=R.
 

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