Is the museum truly closed, if the visitor is able to enter and roam around?

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The discussion revolves around a logical reasoning problem presented in a scenario involving a visitor at a museum and the implications of statements made by both the visitor and an attendant regarding the museum's status. The subject area pertains to principles of logic and implications in mathematical reasoning.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the visitor's statement and the attendant's assertion, questioning the truth values of the propositions involved. Some participants attempt to clarify the logical relationships between being inside the museum and its operational status, while others express confusion over the interpretations of these statements.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants presenting differing interpretations of the logical implications. Some have offered insights into the reasoning process, while others are seeking clarification on the validity of the statements made by the visitor and the attendant. There is no explicit consensus, but various lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are grappling with the nuances of logical implications and the truth values of the statements made, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the logical structure involved. The original problem context may impose constraints on how the statements are interpreted.

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From "Principles of Mathematics" by Allendorfer and Oakley.

"Discuss the reasoning of the 'visitor' in the following: An early visitor to a museum found the door open and walked in. An attendant said to him, 'The museum has not opened; so you cannot come in.' The visitor replied, 'If this museum has not opened, then I am not in,' and proceeded to look around."

For the visitors implication, 'If this museum has not opened, then I am not in,' is it meant that the first proposition is true and the second is false, so meaning it is entirely false. (A^B) If it is false, then why does he proceed to look around?
 
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The reasoning is: "if he's in, then the museum has opened", and what the attendant says is false.
Now he's in, thus the museum is open, and he can keep roam around the museum.
 
No, this does not imply that what the attendant said is false.

The visitor is interpreting "'The museum has not opened; so you cannot come in" as the implication you give, "'If this museum has not opened, then I am not in" and convertijng to the contra-positive, "If I am in, then the museum has opened". One is true if and only if the other is.
 
Reiterating me won't change the fact that my answer is correct. :-)
 
Then I must have misunderstood "and what the attendant says is false".

(Besides, I wasn't "reiterating", I was only "iterating".)
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
The reasoning is: "if he's in, then the museum has opened", and what the attendant says is false.
Now he's in, thus the museum is open, and he can keep roam around the museum.

Sorry for reviving this thread a little late, but isn't 'The museum has not opened; so you cannot come in.' true? Because if the antecedent is false and the consequent--lady's proposition, then isn't it true? I am assuming both of the propositions(lady and visitor) are true.
 
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