Is the particle in a 1-D infinite well doubly degenerate?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of degeneracy in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the particle in a 1-D infinite potential well. Participants explore the implications of eigenfunctions and energy states, addressing whether the particle in the well exhibits degeneracy similar to other systems like free particles or particles on a ring.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a free particle is doubly degenerate due to its continuous energy spectrum and the presence of eigenfunctions eikx and e-ikx.
  • Another participant argues that the eigenfunction for a particle in a 1-D infinite well, given by ψ = sin(nπx/a), is non-degenerate since n only takes positive integer values.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between the sine function and the complex exponentials, questioning whether this implies degeneracy for the particle in the box.
  • It is pointed out that the functions eikx and e-ikx do not satisfy the boundary conditions required for the particle in a box, thus they cannot be considered solutions to the eigenvalue equation.
  • Participants emphasize that degeneracy refers specifically to solutions of the eigenvalue equation, and since there is only one solution for each k, there is no degeneracy in this case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether the particle in a 1-D infinite well can be considered doubly degenerate. While some argue that the representation of sin(kx) as a combination of eikx and e-ikx suggests degeneracy, others clarify that only solutions to the eigenvalue equation should be considered, leading to a lack of consensus.

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Participants highlight that the functions eikx and e-ikx do not meet the boundary conditions of the problem, which is crucial for determining degeneracy. The discussion also reflects the complexity of defining degeneracy in different quantum systems.

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Hi. I'm confused about degeneracy in I-D As far as I understand it ( and please tell me if I'm wrong ) ; a free particle is doubly degenerate with a continuous energy spectrum with eigenfunctions eikx and e-ikx. A particle on a ring in I-D is doubly degenerate but this time the energy is quantized.
My main question concerns a particle in a 1-D infinite well with infinite walls at x=0 and x=a. The eigenfunction is given by ψ = sin (nπx/a) where n = 1,2,3,... These eigenfunctions are non-degenerate as n only takes positive values but sin kx can be written as sin kx = ( eikx - e-ikx) / 2i which is a superposition of 2 waves traveling in opposite directions. Would this not make the particle in a box doubly degenerate ?
 
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There's not much room for choice of ##A## and ##B## if you want the function ##\psi (x) = Ae^{ikx}+Be^{-ikx}## to be zero at x=0 and x=a. For most values of k it's not possible at all (except if A and B are both zero).
 
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but sin kx can be written as sin kx = ( eikx - e-ikx) / 2i which is a superposition of 2 waves traveling in opposite directions. Would this not make the particle in a box doubly degenerate ?
Neither of those functions are solutions to the eigenvalue equation for the particle-in-a-box Hamiltonian.
 
The solution to the particle in a box Hamiltonian is sin kx where k = nπ /a and n takes positive integer values. This shows that the energy eigenvalues are non-degenerate. But the part that confuses me is that sin kx can be written as a linear combination of eikx and e-ikx which implies doubly degenerate ?
 
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The solution to the particle in a box Hamiltonian is sin kx where k = nπ /a and n takes positive integer values. This shows that the energy eigenvalues are non-degenerate. But the part that confuses me is that sin kx can be written as a linear combination of eikx and e-ikx which implies doubly degenerate ?

The function ##e^{ikx}## is not zero for any value of x. Its absolute value is 1 everywhere.
 
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dyn said:
sin kx can be written as a linear combination of eikx and e-ikx which implies doubly degenerate ?

No, because, as Nugatory said, ##e^{ikx}## and ##e^{-ikx}## are not solutions of the eigenvalue equation, whereas ##\sin kx## is. Writing a function that is a solution as a linear combination of functions that are not tells you nothing at all about degeneracy; degeneracy implies that you are talking only about functions which are solutions. For each ##k## there is only one such function, hence no degeneracy.
 
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Yeah, even the harmonic oscillator ground state ##\psi (x) = Ae^{-kx^2}## can be written as ##\psi (x) = A\left(\frac{1}{2}e^{-kx^2}+\sin kx\right) + A\left(\frac{1}{2}e^{-kx^2}-\sin kx\right)## if you want to, but neither of the functions

##\psi (x) = \frac{1}{2}e^{-kx^2}+\sin kx##, or
##\psi (x) =\frac{1}{2}e^{-kx^2}-\sin kx##,

is a solution to the SHO Schrödinger equation.
 
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Thanks everyone. Much appreciated !
 

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