Is the Perception of Objects Relative to Our Senses?

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The discussion centers on the nature of objects, defined as coalitions of matter and energy, and how their perception is influenced by human senses. It argues that understanding objects is often subconscious and varies based on individual sensory capabilities, suggesting that if one sense is impaired, the definition of objects may change. The conversation references philosophical concepts from Kant regarding the 'thing-in-itself' and the limitations of human perception in grasping true existence. It also touches on the implications of quantum mechanics, specifically wave-particle duality, and how our understanding of objects is shaped by the properties we can observe. Ultimately, the dialogue questions whether an ultimate understanding of the universe is achievable given these sensory constraints.
  • #61
wuliheron said:
... a number of sciences including psychology and linguistics used to be considered purely philosophical pursuits.

All forms of inquiry used to be considered philosophy and many people still consider scientific method merely an extension or tool of philosophy.

FYI logic is a tool of philosophy, not a philosophy in and of itself.

FYI, Actually, one can choose to look at the world through logic, or not... in this way, it very much is a philosophy.

Religion, for instance, relies on revealed truth, and sometimes embraces logical contradictions, which obviously doesn't demand or even require a logical structure, merely belief. And it is still considered wisdom.

I think you are talking outside your expertise.
 
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JoeDawg said:
All forms of inquiry used to be considered philosophy and many people still consider scientific method merely an extension or tool of philosophy.

Actually, the Chinese have traditionally not distinguished between philosophy and religion, however, westerners do make this distinction. In addition, the vast majority of philosophers do consider the scientific method to be a philosophical tool. In fact, philosophy forms the foundations of all practices, hence, everything we do is ultimately an expression of our philosophy. Nonetheless, most people prefer to make distinctions for the sake of practicality if nothing else.

JoeDawg said:
FYI, Actually, one can choose to look at the world through logic, or not... in this way, it very much is a philosophy.

Religion, for instance, relies on revealed truth, and sometimes embraces logical contradictions, which obviously doesn't demand or even require a logical structure, merely belief. And it is still considered wisdom.

I think you are talking outside your expertise.

Philosophy is not looking at the world through logic, philosophy is the reason you choose to look at the world through logic.
 
  • #63
wuliheron said:
Actually, the Chinese have traditionally not distinguished between philosophy and religion,

If you have studied the history of philosophy you know that the 'western' philosophical tradition, which began with the pre-socratics, dealt very much with religion. Philosophers love arguing about god. Its not a Chinese thing.

In addition, the vast majority of philosophers do consider the scientific method to be a philosophical tool.

Many scientists don't. They see science as separate.
In fact, philosophy forms the foundations of all practices, hence, everything we do is ultimately an expression of our philosophy.
If you say so.

Philosophy is not looking at the world through logic, philosophy is the reason you choose to look at the world through logic.

Or choose NOT to look at the world through logic. Many philosophies embrace irrational elements, and some specifically because they are irrational, the Tao, Kierkegaard...etc..
 
  • #64
JoeDawg said:
If you have studied the history of philosophy you know that the 'western' philosophical tradition, which began with the pre-socratics, dealt very much with religion. Philosophers love arguing about god. Its not a Chinese thing.

This is not true in Taoism, for example. Part of the Taoist tradition is to never argue about anything.

In addition, the modern western philosophical tradition owes its origins to the ancient Greek philosophers who invented metaphysics as a covert way of criticizing the increasingly bizarre stories of their religion. Overt criticism of their religion was punishable by death.
 
  • #65
wuliheron said:
This is not true in Taoism, for example. Part of the Taoist tradition is to never argue about anything.

Pity you're not a taoist.

You're wasting my time.
 
  • #66
JoeDawg said:
Pity you're not a taoist.

You're wasting my time.

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