Is the Pointwise Limit of Measurable Functions Also Measurable?

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The discussion revolves around the measurability of the derivative of a differentiable function, specifically whether the pointwise limit of measurable functions is also measurable. The scope includes theoretical aspects of measure theory and properties of Borel measurable functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about demonstrating that the derivative of a differentiable function is Borel measurable.
  • Another participant suggests expressing the derivative as the pointwise limit of measurable functions, referencing the definition of the derivative.
  • A further elaboration indicates that for each fixed n, the function defined by a specific difference quotient is continuous, and the derivative is the pointwise limit of these functions.
  • One participant expresses concern that providing too much detail may resemble homework help, suggesting that the hint given was reasonable.
  • A participant mentions the need for clarification on why the pointwise limit of continuous functions is Borel measurable and requests references or hints.
  • Another participant asserts that the pointwise limit of measurable functions is measurable, describing it as a fundamental result in measure theory and implying that it should be included in standard texts on the subject.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of the pointwise limit of measurable functions being measurable, but there is no consensus on the specifics of demonstrating the measurability of the derivative or the need for further references.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of measurability and continuity, as well as the specific context of the functions discussed. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps required to establish the claims made.

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Hi,

I got across this question, if $F:[0,1] \to \mathbb{R}$ is differentiable, then how to show it is derivative $F'$ is Borel measurable?

Any idea?
 
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Hi jose80, you will need to use [tex ]..[ /tex] (without the spaces) instead of $..$.

Write F' as the (pointwise) limit of measurable functions, using the definition of derivative.
 
In more detail, for each fixed n the function f_n defined by
f_n(x) = \frac{f(x+1/n)-f(x)}{1/n}
is continuous, and f'(x) is the pointwise limit.
 
@g_edgar: I purposely avoided this amount of detail, because it sounds like homework, and my hint seemed quite reasonable to me.
 
Hi, thanks for the answers, I tried to look up why a pointwise limit of continuous functions is Borel measurable, but I couldn't figure out that?

Any reference or hint?
 
The pointwise limit of (real-valued) measurable functions is measurable. That is one of the most basic and important results in (elementary) measure theory. If that's not in the book you're reading, then I'm pretty sure that's not a book about measure theory :)

E.g. see here.
 

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