Is the pronunciation of 'where' in English commonly heard as 'w+schwa'?

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The discussion centers around the pronunciation of the word "where" in English, particularly whether it is commonly pronounced as "w+schwa." Participants explore various perceptions of this pronunciation in different contexts, including a specific video example.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions their own hearing of "where" as "w+schwa" in a video example.
  • Another participant finds the pronunciation normal and likens it to a homonym of "ware."
  • A different participant describes hearing "where" as wṛ (with vocalic r) and suggests that it could also be perceived as wǝr, indicating a potential intrusive r sound.
  • Some participants note that there is variation in how "where" is pronounced compared to "ware" or "wear," with some speakers treating them as homonyms while others do not.
  • One participant references phonetic representations and etymology, suggesting that many "wh" words in English may have Germanic origins, which could influence their pronunciation.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty, stating that the pronunciation of "where" seemed clear enough and did not sound unusual in the context of the video.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the pronunciation of "where," with no consensus reached on whether "w+schwa" is commonly heard. Multiple competing perceptions of pronunciation exist.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference phonetic variations and etymological origins, but there are no settled definitions or agreements on the pronunciation of "where" and its comparison to similar words.

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In this video that the link is below, there is a phrase: "where I spoke in Egypt" ,time is about 0:12. I hear "where" as "w+schwa".Is that correct or my ear hearing wrongly?
 
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Dunno, sounded normal to me.
I heard "where" as if a homonym of ware.
 
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I heard wṛ (with vocalic r), typical American pronunciation. English pronunciation would be wεǝ.
You may have heard it as wǝr (I spoke), i.e. wǝ with an intrusive r between vowels, as in Laura Norder.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I heard "where" as if a homonym of ware.
Some people pronounce "where" and "ware/wear" the same, but others don't. One online dictionary shows a phonetic representation of "where" as [(h)wer], and gives the etymology as Old English hwǣr, of Germanic origin.

In the same vein is the distinction between the pronunciations of "win" and "when." Many speakers pronounce these the same, but some others will pronounce "when" something like as if it were spelled "hwen."

Another example is how "whale" is sometimes pronounced differently from "wail" or "wale" (the latter as in "wide wale corduroy." This disparity in pronunciation is something I wondered about for a long time until I came across a dictionary definition of "whale" that included its etymology -- Old English hwæl, of Germanic origin.

My suspicion is that many words in English that start with "wh" are of Germanic origin and were actually written in Old English as "hw...".
 
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I could not hear much distinctly. "Where" was pronounced closely enough that nothing sounded strange; nothing unusual. Maybe the way he said was just less clear at that narrow moment.
 

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