Is the Quantum Casino's Use of Euler's Formula Misleading?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation and application of Euler's formula in the context of a function presented in the Quantum Casino article. Participants examine the mathematical derivation of a wave function, ψ, and whether the use of Euler's formula is misleading or incorrect. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding complex numbers and real parts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the derivation of ψ = A e^ix, suggesting it should include a correction involving the imaginary unit i.
  • Another participant asserts that the correct representation of ψ should be the real part of Ae^ix, indicating a potential error in the initial derivation.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of taking the real part of a complex function, questioning why the imaginary unit i appears in the equations if only the real part is considered.
  • There is a critique of the source material, with one participant labeling the use of Euler's formula as "sloppy" and suggesting that reliance on non-textbook sources leads to confusion.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correct interpretation and manipulation of the wave function, with no consensus reached on the validity of the initial claims or the subsequent corrections. Multiple competing views remain on the proper use of Euler's formula and the treatment of complex numbers.

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Limitations include assumptions about the nature of A (whether it is real or complex) and the handling of the imaginary unit in the context of real-valued functions. The discussion does not resolve these mathematical nuances.

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On this page :
http://www.ipod.org.uk/reality/reality_quantum_casino.asp

the guy present a function like this :

ψ = A cos(x)

then he says according to Euler formula, which is e^ix = cos(x) + i sin(x) :

ψ = A e^ix ??

shouldn't the result be instead :

ψ + A*i*sin(x) = A cos(x) + A*i* sin(x)
ψ + A*i*sin(x) = A (cos(x) + i sin(x))
ψ = A e^ix - A*i*sin(x)
ψ = A (e^ix - i sin(x))

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ψ=Re(Aeix), where Re means real part.

Your derivation of ψ has an error - last line should have -isin(x).
 
mathman said:
ψ=Re(Aeix), where Re means real part.

ψ=A Re(eix) is a bit better since it doesn't assume that A was real.
 
mathman said:
ψ=Re(Aeix), where Re means real part.

If you take only the real part, why "i" stays in the equation afterward ?
How can a "Real" equation contains 'i' ?

What I meant to say.. is that if you take Re-part it has to stay inside Re-parenthesis the whole calculation isn't it ?
 
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mraptor said:
How can a "Real" equation contains 'i' ?
You can take a real part of any complex number, so it's fine to have "i" inside the "Re".
What I meant to say.. is that if you take Re-part it has to stay inside Re-parenthesis the whole calculation isn't it ?
I believe what is happening is that some people assume so automatically that we will be taking the real part at the end that they simply don't bother to write "Re[]" in every expression-- but it's there anyway.
 
mraptor said:
On this page :
http://www.ipod.org.uk/reality/reality_quantum_casino.asp

the guy present a function like this :

ψ = A cos(x)

then he says according to Euler formula, which is e^ix = cos(x) + i sin(x) :

ψ = A e^ix ??

This is just plain sloppy. It's what you get for using a random Web site instead of a real textbook.
 
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