Bosonization Formula and its Effects on Fermion Number

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the bosonization formula as presented by Shankar in the context of quantum field theory and its implications for fermion number. Participants explore the nature of the formula, its interpretation, and the conditions under which it may or may not hold true, particularly in relation to boundary conditions and the dimensionality of the system.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions Shankar's statement regarding the bosonization formula, specifically why it cannot change fermion number as ψ does, given that ψ satisfies anticommutation relations.
  • Another participant suggests that the statement must be understood in a weak sense, emphasizing the importance of proper boundary conditions and renormalization, particularly in one-dimensional systems.
  • A participant raises the possibility of bosonization on a lattice, questioning if the formula could be considered an operator identity in that context.
  • In response, it is proposed that if the mathematical arguments for bosonization hold on a lattice, then the claim made by Shankar might not be valid.
  • Another participant clarifies that Shankar's argument hinges on the inability to exponentiate distributions, which are characteristic of quantum fields in a continuum, suggesting that the formula is more of a mnemonic than a strict identity.
  • It is noted that if fields are defined at a finite number of points on a lattice, they behave as functions rather than distributions, potentially resolving the issues raised by Shankar.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Shankar's statement and the conditions under which the bosonization formula may hold. There is no consensus on whether the formula can be treated as an operator identity in the context of lattice systems.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the treatment of quantum fields as distributions versus functions, and the implications of boundary conditions and dimensionality on the validity of the bosonization formula.

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Is the bosonization formula an operator identity?
Shankar, in the book "Quantum Field Theory and Condensed Matter", at page 328 writes the famous bosonization formula in the form
$$\psi_{\pm}(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\alpha}} e^{\pm i \sqrt{4\pi} \phi_{\pm}(x)}$$
and then writes: "This is not an operator identity: no combination of boson operators can change the fermion number the way ψ can."
I don't understand this statement. ##\psi_{\pm}(x)## satisfies anticommutation relations, so why can't it change the fermion number the way ψ can?
 
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It must be understood in a weak sense (imposing proper boundary conditions), together with renormalization. The latter is in this case (1+1D) just done by normal ordering the exponential.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
It must be understood in a weak sense (imposing proper boundary conditions), together with renormalization. The latter is in this case (1+1D) just done by normal ordering.
If we studied bosonization on a lattice, so that the number of degrees of freedom was finite, could it be an operator identity in this case?
 
Demystifier said:
If we studied bosonization on a lattice, so that the number of degrees of freedom was finite, could it be an operator identity in this case?
If the mathematical arguments for the bosonization still go through on the lattice, yes. You'd need to check the derivation of the commutation rules.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
If the mathematical arguments for the bosonization still go through on the lattice, yes.
So, assuming that it is so, the Shankar's claim would not longer be true?
 
Demystifier said:
So, assuming that it is so, the Shankar's claim would not longer be true?
The point of Shankar's argument is that one cannot sensibly exponentiate distributions, which quantum fields on a continuum are; the formula you quoted is strictly speaking only mnemonics for a complicated process.

But if a field is defined only at a finite number of points (e.g., on a bounded lattice) , the fields are functions, not distributions. Then there are no such problems, hence no associated claims.
 
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