Griffiths: Intro To Quantum Example 4.3 clarification , <Sx> =

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the expectation value of as presented in Griffiths' "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics," specifically in example 4.3. Participants are examining the mathematical steps involved in deriving the expression and addressing potential errors in their calculations.

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  • One participant questions the absence of "2cos(yB0t)" in their calculations after applying Euler's formula to the exponential terms.
  • Another participant provides a detailed multiplication of matrices involved in the expectation calculation, suggesting that the resulting terms should yield a specific form.
  • A participant identifies a mistake in their earlier notes regarding the cancellation of terms, specifically the "2" in the denominator of the sine functions, which they believe led to confusion.
  • Another participant suggests a method to avoid such mistakes by using symbols for complex expressions and substituting at the end, illustrating this with a mathematical expression.

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There is no consensus on the initial confusion regarding the terms in the expectation value calculation, but participants are collaboratively working through the mathematical steps and corrections. Disagreements about the interpretation of terms and their cancellations persist.

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Clarification on Example 4.3 Griffiths Larmor Frequency Example
Hello,

In Griffiths Intro To Quantum (second edition) example 4.3 page 180 ...

Calculating the expectation of <Sx>, equation 4.164.

I'm sure I am wrong, but it seems like after using Euler's for the e^i terms there should be 2cos(yB0t)'s terms. I agree the sin's cancel (After using Euler) and I agree with the sin(alpha) term - after trig identity

my question: Shouldn't there be "2cos(yB0t)" ... I don't see why not? adding the 2 cos() terms after using Euler

the expectation of <Sy> and <Sz> agrees in form to <Sx> so I know I am missing something.

Help

Thanks
-Sparky_
 
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In Equation 4.164, setting aside the factor of ##\hbar/2##, you have the following
$$
\begin{pmatrix} a & b\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 0 &1\\1 & 0 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}a^* \\b^* \end{pmatrix}
$$where ##a=\cos (\alpha/2)e^{i\gamma B_0t/2}## and ##b=\sin (\alpha/2)e^{-i\gamma B_0t/2}##.
What do you get when you multiply this out?
 
I get

$$
\begin{pmatrix} \cos (\alpha/2)e^{-i\gamma B_0t/2} & \sin (\alpha/2)e^{+i\gamma B_0t/2}\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 0 &1\\1 & 0 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\cos (\alpha/2)e^{+i\gamma B_0t/2} \\\sin (\alpha/2)e^{-i\gamma B_0t/2}\end{pmatrix}
$$

$$
\begin{pmatrix} \cos (\alpha/2)e^{-i\gamma B_0t/2} & \sin (\alpha/2)e^{+i\gamma B_0t/2}\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\sin (\alpha/2)e^{-i\gamma B_0t/2} \\\cos (\alpha/2)e^{+i\gamma B_0t/2}\end{pmatrix}
$$

$$
\cos (\alpha/2)e^{-i\gamma B_0t/2} \sin (\alpha/2)e^{-i\gamma B_0t/2} + \sin (\alpha/2)e^{+i\gamma B_0t/2}\cos (\alpha/2)e^{+i\gamma B_0t/2}
$$

$$
\cos (\alpha/2) \sin (\alpha/2)e^{-i\gamma B_0t} + \sin (\alpha/2)\cos (\alpha/2)e^{+i\gamma B_0t}
$$

$$\frac{\sin (\alpha)}{2} e^{-i\gamma B_0t} + \frac{\sin (\alpha)}{2}e^{+i\gamma B_0t}
$$

It is here that I found my mistake ... in my notes I just dropped the 2 in the denominator of the sin's (out of the blue) expanding the exponential terms using Euler's the sin terms within that will cancel and I do get 2 cosine terms but the "2" on "2cos () will cancel with the 2 in the denominator that is lost somewhere

On my scratch pad notes, it looks as if I might have confused the h/2 as factoring out the 2 in the denominator of the sin's - but who knows, methodically transcribing it to this post caught my stupid mistake.

(unless you see a problem ... I am now getting what the book is getting)
Thanks
Sparky_
 
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I see no problem. I just want to point out that you can avoid and/or troubleshoot mistakes of this kind if you use symbols for complex expressions and then substitute at the end. For example, using post #2
$$\begin{pmatrix} a & b\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 0 &1\\1 & 0 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}a^* \\b^* \end{pmatrix}
=\begin{pmatrix} a & b\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}b^* \\a^* \end{pmatrix}=ab^*+a^*b=2 Re(ab^*)\\=2\cos(\alpha/2)\sin(\alpha/2)\cos(\gamma B_0 t).$$
 

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