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"The truth shall set you free"-?
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Is the Quest for Truth Ultimately Fulfilling?
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The discussion revolves around the philosophical inquiry into the nature and value of truth. Participants explore whether the pursuit of truth is ultimately fulfilling, its significance in life, and the implications of knowing or accepting truth. The conversation touches on various perspectives, including personal experiences, philosophical reflections, and the challenges associated with understanding truth.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants suggest that the search for truth may provide the greatest understanding, even if it does not change circumstances.
- Others argue that truth is a complex concept, with distinctions between absolute truth and subjective truths that vary by context.
- A few participants express skepticism about the inherent value of truth, questioning why it is often assumed to be a good pursuit.
- Some contributions highlight the emotional and psychological challenges of accepting truth, suggesting that the difficulty lies not in finding truth but in accepting it.
- There are reflections on the idea that the journey of seeking truth may be more rewarding than the attainment of definitive answers.
- Several participants mention the role of personal belief systems and societal influences in shaping perceptions of truth.
- One participant references historical philosophical perspectives on the methods of discovering truth, indicating a divide in approaches to understanding it.
- Another participant raises the idea that many people may prefer truths that align with their existing beliefs rather than confronting uncomfortable realities.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express a range of views on the nature and value of truth, with no clear consensus emerging. While some find the pursuit of truth essential, others question its significance or the motivations behind it. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives present.
Contextual Notes
Participants acknowledge the complexity of defining truth and the subjective nature of personal experiences related to it. There are references to philosophical traditions and the challenges of acceptance, but these remain open-ended without definitive conclusions.
Who May Find This Useful
This discussion may be of interest to those exploring philosophical questions about truth, personal development, and the nature of knowledge, as well as individuals engaged in debates about the implications of truth in various contexts.
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Mr. Robin Parsons
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Amen!
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radagast
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I just wanted everyone to know that they can relax. It's been found. It turns out that it was in a box under my bed all this time. To think all those folks out there looking for truth and it was under my bed all along. If you want a peek at it, just come on over.
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Another God
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Maybe you mean:
Truth = Necessary truth
truth = contingent truth
But maybe you don't.
A necessary truth is a truth that must be true, no matter what universe, no matter what situation...but I don't think this is exactly what you mean, because the only real necessary truths are things that are true by definition (and tautological truths etc).
Contingent truth is a truth which 'Happens to be true'. It's not that it must, or that it is special or anything at all, other than it just so happens, in this case in question, that it is true. It is contingent. but I actually don't think this is what you are talking about either (although it is closer than not)
A lot of people want to talk about 'personal truths', and I too have been guilty of using this term myself, when in fact the real word for this is:Belief. Sometimes we substitute the word truth in over the top of belief to separate the beliefs "Of which it would be perverse to deny the truth of", and the beliefs which don't have that degree of evidence behind them.
So maybe it is important to make that distinction of truth (the human acceptance of a more than likely belief actually being True) and Truth, things that actually are True, irrelevant of what anyone believes.
Do you think your version of 'truth' and 'Truth' is more appropriate than mine?
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Another God
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Truth = Objective
Humans = Subjective
Subjective = Experiential, phenomenological
Objective = Meaningless existence
Objective cannot be experienced, it can only be interpretted, meaning placed on it. Hence we use science to create truths for us, and that is all we will ever know.
Do not doubt that somewhere along the line, the Truth is the basis for our truths: We just need to figure out someday how well based our truths are on The Truth.
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Iacchus32
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How about the "truth of the matter," which is always true? Or else how could we possibly relate to it? -- "the fact" that we're consciously aware. And since when did we need science to determine that?
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