Is the Quest for Truth Ultimately Fulfilling?

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The forum discussion centers on the philosophical inquiry into the value of the search for truth. Participants, including Preator Fenix and maximus, explore the distinction between "Truth" (capital T) as an absolute and "truth" (lowercase t) as subjective and situational. The consensus suggests that while the pursuit of truth is significant, it often leads to more questions than answers, and acceptance of truth is a greater challenge than its discovery. Ultimately, the search for truth is deemed worthwhile, even if the absolute truth remains elusive.

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Turth?

  • The greatest thing in the universe

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • Total waste of time

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • An entertaining pasttime

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • What is truth?

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • #31
"The truth shall set you free"-?
 
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  • #32
Amen!
 
  • #33
I just wanted everyone to know that they can relax. It's been found. It turns out that it was in a box under my bed all this time. To think all those folks out there looking for truth and it was under my bed all along. If you want a peek at it, just come on over.
 
  • #34
Originally posted by Royce
IMO There is Truth and truth. Truth (with a capital T) is a universal truth that is true everwhere and everywhen for everybody, an absolute truth. The other truth (with lower case t) is true here and now but may not be true everywhere,when nor for everybody. Truth and truth is for us to find and accept.
Maybe you mean:
Truth = Necessary truth
truth = contingent truth
But maybe you don't.

A necessary truth is a truth that must be true, no matter what universe, no matter what situation...but I don't think this is exactly what you mean, because the only real necessary truths are things that are true by definition (and tautological truths etc).

Contingent truth is a truth which 'Happens to be true'. It's not that it must, or that it is special or anything at all, other than it just so happens, in this case in question, that it is true. It is contingent. but I actually don't think this is what you are talking about either (although it is closer than not)


A lot of people want to talk about 'personal truths', and I too have been guilty of using this term myself, when in fact the real word for this is:Belief. Sometimes we substitute the word truth in over the top of belief to separate the beliefs "Of which it would be perverse to deny the truth of", and the beliefs which don't have that degree of evidence behind them.

So maybe it is important to make that distinction of truth (the human acceptance of a more than likely belief actually being True) and Truth, things that actually are True, irrelevant of what anyone believes.

Do you think your version of 'truth' and 'Truth' is more appropriate than mine?
 
  • #35
Originally posted by Jonathan
There is only one truth. Personal truths are psuedotruths; my point is that we can't be sure which personal truth is closest or equal to the true truth.

Truth = Objective
Humans = Subjective

Subjective = Experiential, phenomenological
Objective = Meaningless existence

Objective cannot be experienced, it can only be interpretted, meaning placed on it. Hence we use science to create truths for us, and that is all we will ever know.

Do not doubt that somewhere along the line, the Truth is the basis for our truths: We just need to figure out someday how well based our truths are on The Truth.
 
  • #36
Originally posted by Another God
Objective cannot be experienced, it can only be interpretted, meaning placed on it. Hence we use science to create truths for us, and that is all we will ever know.
How about the "truth of the matter," which is always true? Or else how could we possibly relate to it? -- "the fact" that we're consciously aware. And since when did we need science to determine that? :wink:
 
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