Is the root mean square current always positive?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of root mean square (RMS) current in the context of alternating currents. The original poster questions whether the RMS value can be negative, referencing a conversation with their teacher who asserts it cannot be.

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  • Participants explore the mathematical definition of RMS and its implications regarding the sign of the value. Some express confusion about the teacher's explanation and seek further clarification on the nature of squaring and taking square roots.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concept, with some providing mathematical reasoning to support the assertion that RMS values are positive. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and implications of RMS calculations.

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Vaman Hegde
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Am sorry, if this topic does not belong to this section, as i am new, kindly oblige
Can root RMS value of current (what we study in Alternating currents) be negative?
i feel that it can surely be negative as it is a root, but my teacher told that it can't be negative and showed just one line above x axis. When asked he told me that it's a root of mean of square, hence can't be negative. i did not understand, kindly help...
 
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The rms is the average of the squares, square rooted. Or, Mathematically:

[tex] <br /> x_{\mathrm{rms}} = \sqrt {\frac{x_1^2 + x_2^2 + \cdots + x_n^2}{n}} =\sqrt {\frac{1}{n} \sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i^2}[/tex]

So, as you can see from the formula, the squaring of the [tex]x_i[/tex] means any information about the sign of the number is lost. Basically, the root mean square is a measure of the magnitude of a set of numbers.
 
Vaman Hegde said:
Am sorry, if this topic does not belong to this section, as i am new, kindly oblige
Can root RMS value of current (what we study in Alternating currents) be negative?
i feel that it can surely be negative as it is a root, but my teacher told that it can't be negative and showed just one line above x axis. When asked he told me that it's a root of mean of square, hence can't be negative. i did not understand, kindly help...

Well, when you square a sinusoidal current with zero dc offset you get a waveform that is always positive. Therefore, the average of this always positive waveform is also positive. Technically, the square root of a positive number can be both positive and negative, of course, but the root operation in the RMS calculation is the PRINCIPAL square root, which is the POSITIVE root. So, your teacher is right, the RMS current is a positive value.
 
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