MHB Is the Set of Differentiable Points of a Function a Borel Set?

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The discussion centers on proving that the set of points where a continuous function is differentiable is a Borel set. It establishes that differentiability at a point can be characterized by the existence of a specific limit involving a sequence of continuous functions derived from the original function. The argument is refined by expressing the set of differentiable points as a countable intersection of unions of sets defined by conditions on difference quotients. This approach confirms that the set of differentiable points is indeed Borel, despite initial concerns about counterexamples. The conclusion is that the set of differentiable points for continuous functions is a Borel set, validated through rigorous mathematical reasoning.
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Let $f:R->R$ be a continuous function. Prove that set of points $f$ is differentiable at is a borel set.

I need to get to this set by union/intersection of intervals but how? I guess I'm missing a theorem about differentiable points and cotinuity

Thanks
 
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Fermat said:
Let $f:R->R$ be a continuous function. Prove that set of points $f$ is differentiable at is a borel set.

I need to get to this set by union/intersection of intervals but how? I guess I'm missing a theorem about differentiable points and cotinuity

Thanks

Let $X$ denote the set of points $x$ in $\Bbb R$ such that $f$ is differentiable at $x$. Then $x \in X$ if and only if the limit $\lim_{n\to \infty} f_n(x)$ exists, where

$$f_n(x) = n(f(x + 1/n) - f(x)).$$

Since $f$ is continuous, $f_n$ is a sequence of continuous (hence measurable) functions. So the set

$$X = \{x \in \Bbb R: \lim_{n\to \infty} f_n(x)\; \text{exists}\}$$

is Borel.
 
Euge said:
Let $X$ denote the set of points $x$ in $\Bbb R$ such that $f$ is differentiable at $x$. Then $x \in X$ if and only if the limit $\lim_{n\to \infty} f_n(x)$ exists, where

$$f_n(x) = n(f(x + 1/n) - f(x)).$$

Since $f$ is continuous, $f_n$ is a sequence of continuous (hence measurable) functions. So the set

$$X = \{x \in \Bbb R: \lim_{n\to \infty} f_n(x)\; \text{exists}\}$$

is Borel.
That argument ought to work. But I am uneasy about it.

Example: Let $f(x) = x\sin\bigl(\frac{\pi}x \bigr)$, with $f(0) = 0.$ Then $f$ is continuous, but not differentiable at $0$. Yet $n(f(0 + 1/n) - f(0)) = n(\sin(n\pi) - \sin0) = 0.$ So $$\lim_{n\to \infty} f_n(0)$$ exists, despite $f$ not being differentiable at $0$.
 
Opalg said:
That argument ought to work. But I am uneasy about it.

Example: Let $f(x) = x\sin\bigl(\frac{\pi}x \bigr)$, with $f(0) = 0.$ Then $f$ is continuous, but not differentiable at $0$. Yet $n(f(0 + 1/n) - f(0)) = n(\sin(n\pi) - \sin0) = 0.$ So $$\lim_{n\to \infty} f_n(0)$$ exists, despite $f$ not being differentiable at $0$.

Yes, that's right. What I gave is too simplified. Rather, $X$ can be equated with the set $\cap_{m \ge 1} \cup_{n \ge 1} X(m,n)$, where

$$ X(m,n) = \cap_{0 < |h| < \frac1{n}} \cap_{0 < |k| < \frac1{n}} \{x\in \Bbb R: |\Delta_hf(x) - \Delta_kf(x)| \le \frac1{m}\} $$

and $\Delta_uf(x)$ denotes the difference quotient $(f(x + u) - f(x))/u$. Since $f$ is continuous, $\Delta_uf$ is continuous for every $u$, so the sets

$$ \{x\in \Bbb R: |\Delta_hf(x) - \Delta_kf(x)| \le \frac1{m}\}$$

are all closed. Then the sets $X(m,n)$ are all closed. Consequently, for every $m$, the union $\cup_{n \ge 1} X(m,n)$ is Borel. Therefore, $X$ is the countable intersection of Borel sets, which shows that $X$ is Borel.
 
We all know the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold uses open sets and homeomorphisms onto the image as open set in ##\mathbb R^n##. It should be possible to reformulate the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold using closed sets on the manifold's topology and on ##\mathbb R^n## ? I'm positive for this. Perhaps the definition of smooth manifold would be problematic, though.

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