Is the Space of Real Polynomials of Degree ≤ n a Euclidean Space?

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The discussion revolves around whether the space of real polynomials of degree ≤ n can be considered a Euclidean space, focusing on the properties of a bilinear function defined by an integral. Participants explore the conditions for positive definiteness of the bilinear form and its implications for the structure of the space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that to show \(V\) is a Euclidean space, it is necessary to demonstrate that the bilinear function defined by the integral is positive symmetric.
  • Another participant clarifies that a bilinear function is positive definite if \(f(v,v) \geq 0\) for all \(v\) and \(f(v,v) > 0\) for \(v \neq 0\), challenging the initial interpretation of positivity.
  • A later reply suggests a revised condition for positive definiteness, replacing \(b\) with \(a\) in the expression, indicating an understanding of the necessary adjustments in the argument.
  • Another participant confirms that for the specific scalar product, the integral of the square of a polynomial is non-negative, supporting the argument for positive definiteness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of what constitutes a positive bilinear form, leading to a lack of consensus on the conditions required for \(V\) to be a Euclidean space. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise requirements for positive definiteness.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of their interpretations on the properties of the bilinear form, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the conditions for positive definiteness.

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Hi everyone, :)

Here's a question I encountered and I need your help to solve it.

Question:

Let \(V\) be the space of real polynomials of degree \(\leq n\).

a) Check that setting \(\left(f(x),\,g(x)\right)=\int_{0}^{1}f(x)g(x)\,dx\) turns \(V\) to a Euclidean space.

b) If \(n=1\), find the distance from \(f(x)=1\) to the linear span \(U=<x>\).

My Answer:

In our notes it's given that an Euclidean space is a pair \((V,\,f)\) where \(V\) is a vector space over \(\mathbb{R}\) and \(f:V\times V\rightarrow\mathbb{R}\) is a positive symmetric bilinear function. So therefore I thought that we have to check whether the given bilinear function is positive symmetric. It's clearly symmetric as interchanging \(f\) and \(g\) won't matter. But to make it positive we shall find a condition. Let,

\[f(x)=a_{0}+a_{1}x+\cdots+a_{n}x^{n}\]

\[g(x)=b_{0}+b_{1}x\cdots+b_{n}x^{n}\]

Then,

\[f(x)g(x)=\sum_{k=0}^{n}\left(\sum_{i=0}^{n}a_{i}b_{k-i}\right)x^{k}\]

Hence we have,

\[\left(f(x),\,g(x)\right)=\int_{0}^{1}f(x)g(x)\,dx>0\]

\[\Rightarrow \sum_{k=0}^{n}\left(\sum_{i=0}^{n}a_{i}b_{k-i}\right)\frac{1}{k+1}>0\]

Is this the condition that we have to obtain in order for \(V\) to become an Euclidean space?
 
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Usually, a bilinear function f is positive definite iff f(v,v) is non-negative for all v and f(v,v) > 0 for v not zero. If this is what you meant, your conclusion is certainly true. (Apparently, you think positive means f(u,v) > 0 for all u,v. For this interpretation, your result is clearly false. Furthermore, it's impossible to have such a "positive" bilinear form.)
 
johng said:
Usually, a bilinear function f is positive definite iff f(v,v) is non-negative for all v and f(v,v) > 0 for v not zero. If this is what you meant, your conclusion is certainly true. (Apparently, you think positive means f(u,v) > 0 for all u,v. For this interpretation, your result is clearly false. Furthermore, it's impossible to have such a "positive" bilinear form.)

Hi johng, :)

Thanks much for the reply. Yeah, I see the mistake in my interpretation of positive definite. So it seems that the result should be,

\[\Rightarrow \sum_{k=0}^{n}\left(\sum_{i=0}^{n}a_{i}a_{k-i}\right)\frac{1}{k+1}>0\]

Am I correct? I replaced the \(b\) by \(a\).
 
For a fixed v, you must show (v,v)>=0 and (v,v)=0 only for v=0. So for your particular scalar product, let g be a polynomial of degree at most n. Then

$$(g,g)=\int_0^1g(x)^2\,dx\geq0$$ since the integral of a non-negative function is non-negative.

Also $$\int_0^1g(x)^2\,dx=0\text{ implies }g\equiv0$$ which is true by the fact that if the integral of a non-negative function is 0, then the function must be identically 0.
 

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