Is the speed of expansion of the universe faster than light?

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The discussion centers on the concept of the universe's expansion and whether it can exceed the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of cosmic expansion, the age of the universe, and the nature of distances in an expanding universe, touching on theoretical and observational aspects.

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  • Some participants suggest that the radius of the universe cannot exceed the age of the universe multiplied by the speed of light, while others argue that the observable universe can be larger due to its expansion.
  • There is a claim that parts of the universe are receding from us faster than the speed of light, which some participants seek to elaborate on.
  • One participant explains that while no object can move through space at the speed of light, the expansion of space can result in distances increasing at a rate greater than the speed of light.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of relativity, stating that it forbids massive objects from reaching or exceeding the speed of light but does not restrict the expansion of space itself.
  • Some participants mention the inflationary universe theory as evidence for faster-than-light expansion during the early universe, citing its predictions and experimental confirmations.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of expansion and its effects on causality, questioning whether objects can separate faster than light without violating causal relationships.
  • Several participants reference external FAQs and papers to support their points and to seek further clarification on complex concepts.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature of cosmic expansion and its implications, with no clear consensus reached. Disagreement exists regarding the interpretation of distances and the effects of expansion on gravitationally bound systems.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of relativity and the complexities of defining distances in an expanding universe. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between expansion and causality.

  • #61
Anamitra said:
The quantity [physical distance/time] is increasing for the light ray.

[Physical distance= a[t]*comoving distance[comoving distance=coordinate distance between labels that do not change with time]]

Is it increasing in the diagram? If I understood the idea correctly, we have:

c^2 d\tau^2 = c^2 dt^2 - a(t)^2 dx^2

which simplifies to:

c^2 = \frac{a^2 dx^2}{dt^2} \overset ? = constant

which would be the speed of light (squared) when using the physical distance.

But the speed of light (squared) in the comoving distance would be

\frac{dx^2}{dt^2} = \frac{c^2}{a(t)^2}

which would be slowing down as a(t) increases.

(Edit: Now that I look at the diagram again, it does appear that the physical distance speed of light is increasing, i.e. c^2 = \frac{a^2 dx^2}{dt^2} \neq constant. Is that a particular feature of the Lambda-CDM model, or is it just a badly drawn speed-of-light line?)
 
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  • #62
The mentors have discussed this thread and decided that it is time to close it. Please note that we have a FAQ entry on this topic: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=508610
 
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