Is the Subset D={(x,y)| x≠0 and y≠0} an Open Set in R^2?

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The discussion revolves around the subset D={(x,y)| x≠0 and y≠0} and whether it qualifies as an open set in R^2. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of open sets in the context of topology.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the definition of an open set and how it applies to the subset D. There are questions about proving the openness of the set both graphically and analytically. Some participants suggest considering specific points in D and finding a radius r for open balls around those points.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on exploring the definition of open sets and suggesting methods for proving the claim. There is an emphasis on examining points close to the origin (0,0) and the implications for the openness of the set.

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Some participants have noted confusion regarding notation and have questioned the implications of points near the boundary of the set, particularly around (0,0). There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in definitions and proofs.

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Homework Statement


Show that the subset D={(x,y)| x≠0 and y≠0} is an open set in R^2
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Homework Equations


Open set: U is a subset of R^n. U is an open set when for every point X1, contained within U, there exists some open disk centered around X1 with radius r>0, that is completely contained within U. Or for simplicity's sake, a set U is open if it does not contain any of its boundary points.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have an understanding of what makes up an open set and know why this set is open, but i have no idea as to how I am meant to prove this, graphically or analytically( ideal method).
 
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Deadward1994 said:

Homework Statement


Show that the subset D={f(x; y)| x≠0 and y≠0} is an open set in R^2
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The Attempt at a Solution


I have an understanding of what makes up an open set and know why this set is open, but i have no idea as to how I am meant to prove this, graphically or analytically( ideal method).
What does the notation f(x;y) mean?
 
Sorry about that, I miss quoted the question
 
First, tell us the definition of an open set.
 
So let (x, y) be a point in D. Can you find a radius r such that all points in the open ball of radius r around this point are in D?

First you may want to try drawing this, then proving it analytically. Note that for most points it's pretty trivial - the interesting case is for when (x, y) is close to (0, 0).
 
CompuChip said:
So let (x, y) be a point in D. Can you find a radius r such that all points in the open ball of radius r around this point are in D?

First you may want to try drawing this, then proving it analytically. Note that for most points it's pretty trivial - the interesting case is for when (x, y) is close to (0, 0).

Also, presuming you can always find ##r## for arbitrary ##(x,y) ≠ (0,0)##, what happens at ##(0,0)## exactly?

Get reeeeeally close to ##0##. Can you always find an ##r## such that ##(0,0)## is not contained any neighborhood of your point?
 
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