Is the sum of this infinite series 0 or 1?

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The discussion centers around the infinite series 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 ..., exploring whether its sum equals 0 or 1. Participants examine the convergence of the series, the definitions of terms, and the implications of rearranging series. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Some participants argue that the series can be interpreted in different ways, leading to different sums: one interpretation suggests it converges to 0, while another suggests it converges to 1.
  • One participant emphasizes that for a series to converge, it must approach a specific number, citing the definition of convergence and the behavior of partial sums.
  • Another participant introduces Grandi's series, noting that it is an alternating series that is not absolutely convergent, allowing for different arrangements that yield different sums.
  • Some participants caution that rearranging terms in an infinite series can lead to indeterminate results, and mention that assigning a value to the series can lead to the conclusion that it equals 1/2 under certain conditions.
  • There is a discussion about the divergence of other series, such as 1 + 2 + 4 + 16 + ..., and the incorrectness of summing divergent series using conventional methods.

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Participants express differing views on the convergence of the series and the validity of various summation techniques. There is no consensus on a single correct interpretation or sum for the series.

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Participants highlight the importance of definitions and the behavior of terms in infinite series, noting that customary properties like associativity and commutativity do not apply in the same way. The discussion also touches on the limitations of conventional summation methods.

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1 - 1 + 1 -1 + 1 - 1 ...

Does that equal 0 or 1?

(1-1) + (1-1) + (1-1) + ... = 0 + 0 + 0 = 0

or

1 + (-1 + 1) + (-1+1) + (-1+1) + ... = 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 1
 
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For a series to converge it must "tend to" or "approach" a number [itex]s[/itex]. Mathematically there must be a natural number [itex]N[/itex] for every real number [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex] such that [itex]|s_n-s| < \epsilon[/itex] for [itex]n \geq N[/itex], where [itex]s_n[/itex] is the partial sum [itex]\sum^n_{k=1} a_k[/itex]. In this case we say that the sum converges to [itex]s[/itex].

Note that it is important what you define as terms (the [itex]a_k[/itex]'s are the terms). 1-1+1-1+1-... is not the same as (1-1) + (1-1) + ...

The first sum has terms 1,-1,1,-1,... and so on, but the second sum has 1-1,1-1,1-1,... that is, 0,0,0,... as terms.

Obviously, if 1-1 = 0 are the terms, the series will converge to 0. The sum is simply 0 + 0 + 0 + ... which converges to 0 in the mathematical sense described above. Your example was 1 + (1-1) + (1-1) + ... which of course converges to 1. But this is not the same series.

On the other hand, if the terms are 1, -1, 1, -1, ... the series does not converge. And it is still not the same series as the other one. The reason is that it doesn't "tend to" or "approach" any number. The partial sum [itex]s_n[/itex]oscillates between 1 and 0. Mathematically, it doesn't satisfy the condition for convergence to any number [itex]s[/itex] when we choose [itex]\epsilon = \frac{1}{2}[/itex]. Can you see why?

Be careful around infinite series. Customary properties such as associativity and commutativity of terms doesn't apply in the same way.
 
disregardthat said:
Be careful around infinite series. Customary properties such as associativity and commutativity of terms doesn't apply in the same way.



So is his method for finding the sum of that infinite series incorrect?

Thanks for clearing that up by the way.
 
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This is Grandi's series. One answer: It's anything you want. It's an alternating series that is not absolutely convergent. You have found two arrangements that give two different answers. You can rearrange the terms to give you any number whatsoever. Another way to put this: It's indeterminate.

However, if you insist on assigning a value to this series, the best such value is 1/2. Beware: The techniques used to do this will also say that 1+1+1+1+... = -1/2 and that 1+2+4+8+...=-1.
 
tahayassen said:


So is his method for finding the sum of that infinite series incorrect?

Thanks for clearing that up by the way.


Technically it is incorrect using the definition of convergence I described above. The series 1+2+4+16+... does not converge (it diverges), and summing two infinite series require convergence of both.

However there are other kinds of summations, see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_+_2_+_4_+_8_+_…

which is something we customarily don't use when summing series. But in that context it can in fact be so that 1 + 2 + 4 + 16 + ... = -1. But that's not to say that the series "approach" or "tend to" -1. The methods used in the video are strictly incorrect though.
 
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