Is the Universe Homogeneous or Isotropic?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the universe, specifically whether it is homogeneous and/or isotropic. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational challenges, and potential methods for testing these properties, touching on concepts such as baryon acoustic oscillations and the Lemaitre-Tolman-Bondi metric.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the universe is homogeneous and/or isotropic, citing the presence of baryon acoustic oscillations as a potential source of inhomogeneities.
  • One participant references a paper proposing that the universe may not be homogeneous and isotropic, suggesting that apparent cosmic acceleration could result from spatial gradients in a large void.
  • Another participant supports the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker models as effective in modeling observations on large cosmological scales, implying a preference for homogeneity and isotropy.
  • Participants discuss the feasibility of testing these properties, with suggestions including sending spacecraft to measure gravitational forces across vast distances.
  • There is curiosity about the comoving coordinate system and its historical use in cosmology, with questions about its relevance to large-scale structure analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the homogeneity and isotropy of the universe, with some supporting traditional models and others proposing alternative explanations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive nature of the universe's structure.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of testing cosmological properties and the limitations of current observational methods. There are references to specific models and data sets, but no consensus on their implications or validity is reached.

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I recently read an article about whether the http://dailyphysics.com/" and/or isotropic. (the story is at the top - sorry I couldn't get the link to the permanent article to work here) “gargantuan ripples in the density of matter across the universe, known as baryon acoustic oscillations” is what the article says causes inhomogeneities in the universe, and that we can test for them.

First of all, do you think the universe is homogeneous and/or isotropic? Why or why not?

and

Second, how would we be able to realistically test these properties? Would we have to send a spaceship to the far reaches of the universe and measure the force of gravity between some set of standardized masses? Thoughts on this?
 
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This one?

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008arXiv0810.4939G

As an alternative explanation of the dimming of distant supernovae it has recently been advocated that we live in a special place in the Universe near the centre of a large spherical void described by a Lemaitre-Tolman-Bondi (LTB) metric. In this scenario, the Universe is no longer homogeneous and isotropic, and the apparent late time acceleration is actually a consequence of spatial gradients. We propose in this paper a new observable, the normalized cosmic shear, written in terms of directly observable quantities, and calculable in arbitrary inhomogeneous cosmologies. This will allow future surveys to determine whether we live in a homogeneous universe or not. In this paper we also update our previous observational constraints from geometrical measures of the background cosmology. We include the Union Supernovae data set of 307 Type Ia supernovae, the CMB acoustic scale and the first measurement of the radial baryon acoustic oscillation scale. Even though the new data sets are significantly more constraining, LTB models -- albeit with slightly larger voids -- are still in excellent agreement with observations, at chi^2/d.o.f. = 307.7/(310-4)=1.005. Together with the paper we also publish the updated easyLTB code used for calculating the models and for comparing them to the observations.
 
biggiekjac said:
First of all, do you think the universe is homogeneous and/or isotropic? Why or why not?

Isotropic, homogeneous Friedmann-Robertson-Walker models seem to model observations well on very large cosmological scales.
Second, how would we be able to realistically test these properties? Would we have to send a spaceship to the far reaches of the universe and measure the force of gravity between some set of standardized masses? Thoughts on this?

See

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=250204.
 
Yeah that's the one, thanks.

Jim Graber's link in that thread, George, to the animation of the formation of the acoustic peak is good. I'm not familiar with the comoving coordinate system that the page references, though. Does anyone know when this comoving coordinate system was first used? Is it only useful for examining the structure of the universe on a large scale?
 

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