Is the wave function more like a soccer ball, or a golf ball

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the wave function in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to its representation around an atom. Participants explore analogies comparing the wave function to a soccer ball and a golf ball, examining aspects such as smoothness and undulation in both angular and radial dimensions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the wave function could be likened to a soccer ball, indicating a smooth shell with varying likelihoods of finding an electron in certain regions.
  • Another participant counters that the Schrödinger solution for the S1 state is smooth with respect to radius and does not exhibit undulations, assuming a point-like nucleus.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the wave function is not a physical object and cannot be located around an atom, questioning the initial analogy.
  • There is a suggestion that the original poster may have been referencing the Bohr model or similar concepts.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the nature of undulations, indicating that the first row of the wave function is not radially undulating but rather angularly, while the first column is radially undulating.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the wave function and its representation, with no consensus reached regarding the appropriateness of the soccer ball versus golf ball analogy.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the physical interpretation of the wave function and its relation to atomic structure, as well as the implications of different models like the Bohr model.

BTBlueSkies
Messages
17
Reaction score
0
I have been trying to understand the wave function around an atom..

Is it more like a soccer ball where the shell is smooth but is more likely to be found in say the dark areas, or is it more like a golf ball where it is not only angularly undulating, but also radially undulating?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I'm not sure what you mean. The Schrödinger solution for S1 is smoothly changing with the radius, without undulations, assuming a point-like, positively charged nucleus. I'd imagine it is could not be so smooth with a real nuclear charge disribution.
 
BTBlueSkies said:
I have been trying to understand the wave function around an atom..

First and foremost, do you understand that the wave function is not a physical object and is not found around an atom?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: bhobba
Drakkith said:
First and foremost, do you understand that the wave function is not a physical object and is not found around an atom?

Do you think the OP was referencing the Bohr model? Or perhaps these--

hydrogen_orbitals___poster_by_darksilverflame-d5ev4l6.png
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Steve Lajoie
I think I see where you are coming from. The first row is not "undulating" from the center out (radially) but hemispherically (angularly) and the first column is radially and not angular. Is that what you mean?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 36 ·
2
Replies
36
Views
9K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 71 ·
3
Replies
71
Views
8K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 78 ·
3
Replies
78
Views
7K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K