Is the Wedge Product of a 0-Form and l-Form Equal to f * η?

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The discussion centers on the properties of the wedge product involving a 0-form (a smooth function) and an l-form. Participants explore whether the wedge product can be expressed as a product of the function and the form, specifically questioning the notation and implications of using the asterisk symbol in this context.

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  • One participant defines the wedge product using the alternator and questions if the expression for the wedge product of a 0-form and an l-form can be simplified to f * η.
  • Another participant cautions against using the asterisk symbol, suggesting it may be confused with the Hodge operator, and emphasizes that f can be factored out of the sum due to its independence from the permutation σ.
  • A different participant notes that the wedge product is a tensor operation, while the asterisk is a pseudotensor operation, implying a distinction in their mathematical treatment.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about handling the permutation σ and proposes a method involving transpositions, suggesting that certain terms may cancel out but remains unclear on how to proceed further.
  • Another participant elaborates on the definition of the wedge product, detailing the role of permutations and the significance of the sign function in maintaining the alternating property of the product.

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Participants express differing views on the notation and implications of the wedge product, with no consensus reached on whether the expression f * η is appropriate or accurate in this context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the treatment of permutations and the simplification of the wedge product.

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Participants highlight potential complications arising from the use of permutations and the definitions involved in the wedge product, indicating that certain assumptions and mathematical steps may need further clarification.

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Hello,
we defined the wedge-product as follows
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Alt is the Alternator and the argument of Alt is the Tensor poduct of one k-form and a l-form (in this order w and eta).
Suppose we have the wedge product of a 0-form (a smooth function) and a l-form , so the following may result:

$$\frac{1}{l!} \sum_{\sigma \in S_k} sgn(\sigma) f \eta(v_{\sigma(1)},...,v_{\sigma(l)}).$$

Does it hold to say that it is equal to $$f*\eta?$$
 

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You really should not use ##*## here as it may be mistaken for the hodge operator.

That being said, what do you think? ##f## is clearly independent of the permutation ##\sigma## so you can move it outside the sum. It remains for you to show whether
$$
\eta(v_1, \ldots, v_\ell) = \frac{1}{\ell !} \sum_{\sigma \in S_\ell} \operatorname{sgn}(\sigma) \eta(v_{\sigma(1)},\ldots, v_{\sigma(\ell)})
$$
or not.
 
In addition, * is a pseudotensor operation while ##\wedge## is a tensor one
 
Well I weren't sure how to cope with the $$\sigma.$$ My idea was to say that we find for every permutation a counter part, that deviates only by one transposition from our permutation, so to say its form might be $$\sigma \circ \tau,$$ wehere tau is a transposition. By the alternation of the k-form, these parts should vanish. But for the transpositions in the group remain l! possibilities, so that we might get

$$\eta(v_1,...,v_k)-l!\eta(v_1,...,v_k)$$
and if that is not wrong, I don't know how to go on.
 
Maxi1995 said:
Well I weren't sure how to cope with the ##\sigma.##
I think this is too complicated.

##\omega \wedge \eta## is a ##(k+l)-##form, so we have to define ##(\omega\wedge\eta)\,(v_1,\ldots,v_{k+l})##. The formula for the alternator is
$$
Alt(\omega \wedge \eta)=\dfrac{1}{(k+l)!}\sum_{\sigma\in S_{k+l}}\operatorname{sgn}(\sigma)\,(\omega \wedge \eta)(v_{\sigma(1)},\ldots ,v_{ \sigma(k+l) } )
$$
so we have to explain
$$
\begin{align*}
(\omega\wedge\eta)\,(v_1,\ldots,v_{k+l})&=\dfrac{1}{k!\,l!}\sum_{\sigma\in S_{k+l}}\operatorname{sgn}(\sigma)(\omega \wedge \eta)\,(v_{\sigma(1)},\ldots ,v_{ \sigma(k+l) } )\\&=\sum_{\sigma\in S_{k+l}}\operatorname{sgn}(\sigma)\,\dfrac{1}{l!}\omega(v_{\sigma(1)},\ldots ,v_{ \sigma(k) }) \wedge \dfrac{1}{k!}\eta(v_{\sigma(k+1)},\ldots ,v_{ \sigma(k+l) })
\end{align*}
$$
This defines a multilinear, associative, anti-commutative and graded multiplication on ##\Lambda (V) = T(V)/\langle v\otimes w-w\otimes v\rangle##.

The role of ##\sigma## is actually only the role of ##\operatorname{sgn}(\sigma)##, which simply is a count of the number of mismatches in the natural order of ##1,\ldots ,k+l## which makes the entire product alternating. The factors ##\dfrac{1}{l!}\; , \;\dfrac{1}{k!}## can be considered as the amount of permutations which do not have an effect:

Say ##k=2## and ##l=3##. Then for every permutation ##\sigma \in S_5## which affects the order of ##(v_1,v_2)## we have ##3!## identical versions which permute the remaining ##3## indices, which is why we cancel them via division, e.g.
$$
\omega(v_1,v_2)\stackrel{(*)}{=}\dfrac{1}{3!}\left(\sum_{\sigma=(345)}\omega(v_{\sigma(1)}+v_{\sigma(2)})+\sum_{\sigma=(354)}\omega(v_{\sigma(1)}+v_{\sigma(2)})+\sum_{\sigma=(34)}\omega(v_{\sigma(1)}+v_{\sigma(2)})+\sum_{\sigma=(35)}\omega(v_{\sigma(1)}+v_{\sigma(2)})+\sum_{\sigma=(45)}\omega(v_{\sigma(1)}+v_{\sigma(2)})+\sum_{\sigma=(1)}\omega(v_{\sigma(1)}+v_{\sigma(2)})\right)
$$
##(*) ## The sums aren't necessary here as we only sum over one term, they merely serve as a place to write the permutation ##\sigma##.
 

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