Is there a "critical temperature" for 2D Boson gas?

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The discussion centers on the critical temperature for a 2D boson gas, concluding that it does not form a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC) since inserting z → 1 results in a critical temperature T_c of 0. Despite this, the Bose-Einstein distribution suggests a critical temperature can be derived as T = (2πħ²N)/(mAk_B log(N+1)), indicating a potential discrepancy. The discussion raises questions about the validity of the Bose-Einstein distribution in this context and whether it requires modification. It also explores the implications of adjusting z close to 1 to achieve occupancy number n_0 equal to N. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of defining a critical temperature for 2D boson gases.
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Homework Statement
Use the fact that the density of states is constant in d = 2 dimensions to show that
Bose-Einstein condensation does not occur no matter how low the temperature. (From David Tong's Lectures)
Relevant Equations
[tex]\langle N \rangle = \int_0^\infty dE\,\frac{g(E)}{z^{-1}\exp(\beta E)-1}[/tex]
The density of states of a 2D gas in a box is
g(E)=\frac{Am}{2\pi\hbar^2}\quad.

From this we can obtain
T=-\frac{2\pi\hbar^2N}{mAk_B\log (1-z)}
Inserting z \to 1 gives T_c=0. We conclude that the 2D boson gas doesn't form BEC.However, on the other hand, according to the Bose-Einstein distribution, the ground state has an expected occupancy number of
\langle n_0 \rangle =\frac{1}{z^{-1}-1}If we equate this with N, we would obtain a "critical temperature" of
<br /> T=\frac{2\pi\hbar^2N}{mAk_B\log (N+1)}<br />
For 1mol of "helium" gas in an 1m^2 area has a critical temperature of 8380K.What went wrong? Does this mean the BE distribution needs to be modified in this case? Since z can be pushed arbitrarily close to 1, aren't we always able to force n_0 to reach N?
 
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Zhang Bei said:
From this we can obtain
T=-\frac{2\pi\hbar^2N}{mAk_B\log (1-z)}
Inserting z \to 1 gives T_c=0. We conclude that the 2D boson gas doesn't form BEC.However, on the other hand, according to the Bose-Einstein distribution, the ground state has an expected occupancy number of
\langle n_0 \rangle =\frac{1}{z^{-1}-1}If we equate this with N, we would obtain a "critical temperature" of
<br /> T=\frac{2\pi\hbar^2N}{mAk_B\log (N+1)}<br />
How did you get that last equation from the first 2?
 
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