Is There a Mathematical Link Between These Equations?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical relationship between the equations 2ab and 1 - (a^2 + b^2), particularly when a and b are constrained such that their sum equals 1. Participants explore the conditions under which these equations hold true and the implications of rearranging them.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that 2 x 0.2 x 0.8 equals 1 - (0.2^2 + 0.8^2) and questions if the latter can be rearranged to the former.
  • Another participant suggests using symbols A and B for clarity in the discussion.
  • A participant proposes that the rearrangement leads to the equation 1 - (A + B)^2 = 0, indicating a property that may apply when A + B = 1.
  • Further exploration leads to the conclusion that 1 = (a + b)^2 holds when a and b add to 1, with specific examples provided.
  • Another participant mentions that the property could also apply when (A + B)^2 equals C, which introduces additional conditions.
  • One participant states that the property applies when a + b = -1 or +1, suggesting a broader context for the relationship.
  • Discussion arises about the likelihood of C being positive versus negative, with some participants questioning the reasoning behind these probabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the mathematical relationships and conditions, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of the equations or the likelihood statements made.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the limitations of their discussions, particularly regarding the assumptions made about the values of A and B and the implications of C being positive or negative.

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I've noticed 2 x 0.2 x 0.8 happens to give the same result with 1 - (0.2^2 + 0.8^2).

Can the latter be rearranged to the first? And if yes, can someone direct me to the name of the branch of math that describes this problem? It definitely reminds me of something from high school I didn't pay attention to..
 
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Oh wait, I guess for this question to avoid being meaningless 0.2 and 0.8 should get the symbols A and B, otherwise it could just be 'rearranged' to 0.32.
 
Hrm, I managed to rearrange it to 1-(A+B)^2 = 0. So that might mean it's a property that ONLY applies when A + B = 1, or at least when that '1' being C is A + B. Am I right?
 
Or wait, also when (A + B)^2 is C, which is rarer.
 
So rearrange the equation that way...

2ab = 1 - ( a2 + b2 )

Now rearrange to put the constant term on the left and the rest of the terms on the right...

1 = a2 + 2ab + b2

If you manage to get it in this form, the right hand side is recognizable

1 = (a+b)2

So you can conclude that as long as a and b add to 1 then the relationship that you observed will hold good. The actual a and b that you chose are 0.2 and 0.8. Those do add to 1.

EDIT: It appears that we crossed posts. You have already realized this.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
So rearrange the equation that way...

2ab = 1 - ( a2 + b2 )

Now rearrange to put the constant term on the left and the rest of the terms on the right...

1 = a2 + 2ab + b2

If you manage to get it in this form, the right hand side is recognizable

1 = (a+b)2

So you can conclude that as long as a and b add to 1 then the relationship that you observed will hold good. The actual a and b that you chose are 0.2 and 0.8. Those do add to 1.

Is my additional assessment that also (a+b)2 could be 1 correct? (Or I guess = C if 1 = C there)
 
so, 2ab=1-a^2-b^2
a^2+b^2+2ab=1
(a+b)^2=1
'Property' applies when a+b=-1 or +1
Not much of a mystery
Mr.E
 
cdux said:
Or wait, also when (A + B)^2 is C, which is rarer.

Actually twice as likely for C positive and impossible for C negative.

[Although it is sloppy to talk about likelihood rigorously without a probability distribution available]
 
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jbriggs444 said:
Actually twice as likely for C positive and impossible for C negative.

True.

I don't get the first part. Why is it more likely? (even if it's loosely described)

edit: Unless you just mean because it excludes the negatives.
 
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cdux said:
edit: Unless you just mean because it excludes the negatives.

Yes, that's all I was getting at. That there are two values of a+b for which for (a+b)2=c
as long as c is strictly positive.
 

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