Is there a proof for the new Mersenne numbers conjecture?

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The discussion revolves around a conjecture related to Mersenne numbers, specifically whether certain forms of numbers, defined by the expression d=6p+1, divide M(p)=2^p-1 under specific conditions. The conjecture has been numerically tested for primes p up to 10^11 and is part of a broader set of conjectures introduced by Olivier Latinne.

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Main Points Raised

  • Olivier Latinne presents a conjecture stating that d=6p+1 divides M(p) if d is prime, mod(d,8)=7, p is prime, and d can be expressed in a specific quadratic form.
  • Some participants provide counter-examples, such as p=13 and d=79, arguing about the validity of these examples in relation to the conjecture.
  • Zhi-Wei Sun offers a proof for the "if" part of the conjecture, asserting that if p is a prime and d=6p+1 is prime in a specific form, then d divides M(p).
  • Sun also discusses the "only if" part, suggesting that if d=6p+1 divides M(p), then d must be prime.
  • Another theorem is presented by Zhi-Wei Sun regarding a different case (j=4), providing a proof that d=8p+1 divides M(p) under certain conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of counter-examples and the proofs provided. No consensus is reached regarding the conjecture or the counter-examples, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the properties of primes and divisibility, as well as dependencies on specific mathematical definitions and forms. Some mathematical steps and conditions remain unresolved.

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Hi everyone!

Is anyone able to find the demonstration of the following Mersenne conjecture?

for j=3, d=2*p*j+1=6*p+1 divide M(p)=2^p-1 if and only if

d is prime
and mod(d,8)=7
and p prime
and there exists integer n and i such that: d=4*n^2 + 3*(3+6*i)^2

This conjecture has been numericaly tested for p up to 10^11 and is a particular case of one of three new Mersenne and Cunningham conjectures that I have introduced in the Math Mersenne numbers forum four weeks ago (http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=9945)
But unfortunately up to now, no one of the three conjectures has been demonstrated. On this forum you will also find one numerical example (pdf file) for each of the three conjectures (see thread #20, #25 and #38)
Best Regards,
Olivier Latinne
 
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Counter-example: p=13, d=79. d divides 2^p-1, but there are no integers n,i that make d.
 
Dodo said:
Counter-example: p=13, d=79. d divides 2^p-1, but there are no integers n,i that make d.

for p=13, d=79 but mod(2^13-1)%79=54 so d=79 is not a divisor of 2^13-1
So, it is not a counter example !
 
o.latinne said:
Hi everyone!

Is anyone able to find the demonstration of the following Mersenne conjecture?

for j=3, d=2*p*j+1=6*p+1 divide M(p)=2^p-1 if and only if

d is prime
and mod(d,8)=7
and p prime
and there exists integer n and i such that: d=4*n^2 + 3*(3+6*i)^2

This conjecture has been numericaly tested for p up to 10^11 and is a particular case of one of three new Mersenne and Cunningham conjectures that I have introduced in the Math Mersenne numbers forum four weeks ago (http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=9945)
But unfortunately up to now, no one of the three conjectures has been demonstrated. On this forum you will also find one numerical example (pdf file) for each of the three conjectures (see thread #20, #25 and #38)
Best Regards,
Olivier Latinne
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Zhi-Wei SUN to NMBRTHRY - Mar 1, 2008

Dear number theorist,

Olivier Latinne conjectured that
d=6p+1 divides 2^p-1 if and only if
p is a prime with 6p+1=7 (mod 8) (i.e., p=1(mod 4))
and d=6p+1 is a prime in the form x^2+27y^2.
(since d=3 (mod 4), x cannot be odd).

Below I prove this conjecture for any prime p.

Proof of the "if" part. Let p=1 (mod 4) be a prime such that d=6p+1 is a
prime in the form x^2+27y^2. By Corollary 9.6.2 of K. Ireland and M.
Rosen's book "A Classical Introduction to Modern Number Theory" [GTM
84, Springer, 1990], 2 is a cubic residue mod d, and hence d divides
2^{(d-1)/3}-1=(2^p-1)(2^p+1). If 2^p=-1 (mod d), then
1^p=(2/d)^p=(-1/d)=-1, a contradiction! So we have 2^p=1 (mod d).

Proof of the "only if" part. Suppose that p is a prime and d=6p+1
divides 2^p-1. If d=6p+1 is composite then it has a prime factor q not
exceeding sqrt(6p+1)<2p+1. But any prime divisor of 2^p-1 is of the form
2pk+1, so d=6p+1 must be a prime.
As d=1 (mod 3) and 2^{(d-1)/3}=2^{2p}=1 (mod d), again by Corollary
9.6.2 of Ireland and Rosen's book, d can be written in the form
x^2+27y^2. Since d=3 (mod 4), x must be even.

Zhi-Wei Sun
 
a demonstration for the particular case j=4 of conjecture #3 has also been found

Zhi-Wei SUN to NMBRTHRY, me

Dear number theorists,
Here I give a simple proof of another conjecture of Olivier Latinne.
THEOREM. Let p be a prime, and let d=8p+1. Then d divides 2^p-1
if and only if d is a prime in the form x^2+64y^2 with y odd.
Proof. If d=8p+1 divides 2^p-1 then d cannot be composite since
sqrt(8p+1)<2p+1 and any prime divisor of 2^p-1 is =1 (mod 2p).
Observe that d=9 (mod 16). When d is a prime, by Corollary 7.5.8 in
the book [B.C. Berndt, R.J. Evans and K.S. Williams, Gauss and Jacobi
Sums, Wiley, 1998], d is in the form x^2+64y^2 with x,y odd if and only
if 2 is an octic residue mod d (i.e., 2^p=2^{(d-1)/8}=1 (mod d)). So the
desired result follows.

Zhi-Wei Sun
http://math.nju.edu.cn/~zwsun
 

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