Undergrad Is there a smallest wavetrain corresponding with photons?

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The discussion centers on the nature of electromagnetic (EM) waves and photons, questioning whether there is a smallest wave packet corresponding to photons. Participants clarify that photons are quantized energy packets and do not correspond to classical wave packets, which require a superposition of waves. The conversation also touches on why light appears to slow down in a medium, attributing this to interactions with atoms rather than a change in the fundamental speed of light. The distinction between classical and quantum explanations is emphasized, with a recommendation to refer to Feynman's lectures for deeper insights. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of understanding light behavior in different contexts.
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Of course, I agree. The problem is that even in textbooks often "photons" are used in hand-waving arguments, particularly in GR textbooks, where what is in fact meant is the eikonal approximation of Maxwell's equations in "curved spacetime". Of course that's a tremendous shortcut in calculations.

What's always wrong with this "naive photon picture" is the assumption that "photons" were localized massless particles. So if you envoke the "naive photon picture" you are always better off when thinking in terms of em. waves than in terms of massless point particles.

Field quantization, is of course, not only needed when you deal with Fock states. E.g., you need it also for thermal radiation. It's not by chance that the entire discovery of quantum theory historically came from Planck's discovery how to theoretically describe thermal (black-body) radiation!
 

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