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How do you show that there is always a straight line bisecting a finite set of points on a plane?
The discussion revolves around the question of whether there is always a straight line that can bisect a finite set of points on a plane. Participants explore various approaches to proving this concept, including mathematical reasoning and geometric interpretations.
Participants express differing interpretations of what constitutes a bisecting line and whether it can be achieved under various conditions. There is no consensus on the method or the implications of having an odd number of points.
Participants highlight potential gaps in understanding and the need for clarification on definitions and conditions related to the problem. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the implications of point distribution and the geometric properties involved.
VKint said:(1) for all lines l in L, p is not on l is nonempty
I'm not sure what this means.
HallsofIvy said:First, what do you mean by "bisecting a finite set of points"? In particular, if the line passes through some of the points and has the same number of points on each side, is that "bisecting"?
VKint said:Yeah, that sentence should have read:
"Then L is finite, so the set T consisting of all points p such that (1) for all lines l in L, p is not on l, and (2) p is below and to the left of B (that is, [tex]p \in (-\infty, -a] \times (-\infty, -a][/tex] ) is nonempty." In other words,
[tex]\{p \; : \; \ell \in L \Rightarrow p \notin \ell \; \textrm{and} \; p \in (-\infty, -a] \times (-\infty, -a] \} \neq \emptyset[/tex].
It's actually a very easy proof; my post above just got a bit bogged down in formalism. The idea is that you select a point p far to the left and below all your points (again, call the set of all your points S), such that no line runs through p and any two points in S, and imagine rotating a line slowly through p. You then keep track of how many times the line has "hit" a point in S. The crucial idea is that you can arrange things so that this count always increases by just one at a time (this is why we chose p so that it's not collinear with any two points in S). Furthermore, at some point, the line has "hit" all the points in S, so the final count is |S|. There is therefore a time at which the line has hit exactly half of the points in S.
Dragonfall said:I guess that separation lemma could work, but what if there's an odd number of points? Then the bisecting line must pass through an odd number of points. Not sure if that's always possible.