Is There More to Life Than Marks and Money?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between academic performance (marks) and financial success (money), exploring whether these two aspects of life are fundamentally linked. Participants reflect on the implications of a materialistic society and the motivations behind pursuing grades and income, touching on themes of reward systems and compassion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that students are more motivated by grades that count towards their final assessment, similar to how people are motivated by paid work.
  • Others argue that the materialistic, market-driven nature of society prioritizes "real rewards," which they find unfortunate but acknowledge as a reality.
  • There is a viewpoint that without rewards, many individuals would lack motivation to pursue higher education.
  • Some participants express concern that this focus on grades and money leads to a lack of compassion, suggesting that altruism is often secondary to financial needs.
  • One participant posits that while good grades may help in securing a good job, they are not the sole determinant of success, emphasizing the importance of ingenuity and adaptability.
  • There is a repeated sentiment that the current system, despite its flaws, has its merits and could be worse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the implications of a materialistic society and the relationship between grades and financial success. Some acknowledge the necessity of rewards while others critique the prioritization of marks and money over compassion.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the complexities of the relationship between academic performance and financial success, nor do they clarify the assumptions underlying their claims about motivation and societal values.

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I have come to the realisation that most students seem to keen up so much when a piece of work is going to be marked and counted towards their final grade (compared to when the work is not assessable). It draws a very close resemblance to people keening up when doing a job that they are paid to do (compared to when doing something that is not paid).

So when you are young your goal is to get good grades. As you grow older and finish studying, you goal is to make good money. So marks and money are in some ways isomorphic.
 
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hehehe... it appears that we live in a materialistic, market driven world where only "real rewards" matter. it is sad, but it is true
 
and thank god for that, if there was no reward i bet 99% of the people who go on to higher education wouldn't give a crap.
 
mjsd said:
hehehe... it appears that we live in a materialistic, market driven world where only "real rewards" matter. it is sad, but it is true

But it (is the only thing that) works so if the system allow it than it is surely a good thing. Things can be a lot worse. Everything has its positive and negatives .
 
it is sad because that means compassion always comes last
 
compassion doesn't mix with business. philanthropy or 'good deeds' can only happen after you eat.
 
pivoxa15 said:
So when you are young your goal is to get good grades. As you grow older and finish studying, you goal is to make good
money. So marks and money are in some ways isomorphic.

People who think they'll surely be able to earn "good money" if they have good grades are pretty naive. Of course, good grades speak for themselves, but it's really only your agility/ingenuity which matters, and it is not a necessary condition for having good grades.

mjsd said:
hehehe... it appears that we live in a materialistic, market driven world where only "real rewards" matter. it is sad, but it is true

I agree, up to a point, but in general, it's not so tragic as it looks.
 

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